M151A2 For Sale in Georgia

mrdibbles · Unread post by **mrdibbles** » January 26th, 2008, 10:05 am

Hey Guys-
This A2 is for sale in Georgia and the owner called me because he read on the 503 that last year I was in the hunt. I have mine so I told him I'd post the pictures here... he didn't know how to do so. Anyway below are the pictures and if you're interested here's his contact information:

Buddy O. Miller
106 Stately Oaks Circle
Brunswick, GA 31523

912-265-1736 home
912-270-4775 cell

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » January 26th, 2008, 10:39 pm

He's asking $16,500 for the jeep and trailer.

Jim

baios · Unread post by **baios** » January 27th, 2008, 8:32 am

A lot money but..........PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

raymond · Unread post by **raymond** » January 27th, 2008, 9:48 am

Looks pretty cherry up top. But as we all know, the true value of an M151 is determined by what the bottom looks like.

Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » January 27th, 2008, 12:29 pm

Not to be a critic but isn't the data plate suppose to be the left of the steering column and the heater instructions next to the wiper motor? Also noticed the on/off switch data plate missing along with a few stickers under the hood. I know minor details that are easily corrected. All that said, I think its a really nice vehicle and the trailer is a bonus. I hope the guy gets his asking price.
Hey what's with the west coast mirors? I've noticed a lot of guys putting these on in place of the 5" round ones. I'm sure visibility improves and they look good especially when installed on both sides. Did the military go to this style later on or is this a personal preference item?

Floyd · Unread post by **Floyd** » January 27th, 2008, 1:42 pm

High dollar but what a sano Mutt.

Tim, I think those were issue mirrors for the A2.

Floyd

raymond · Unread post by **raymond** » January 27th, 2008, 3:23 pm

I put one of the "west coast" mirrors on my A1 and added one for the passenger side. For the passenger side you must have the 2 piece telescoping arm in order to get the mirror positioned where the driver can use it.
Raymond

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » January 27th, 2008, 6:17 pm

m-11 wrote:Not to be a critic but isn't the data plate suppose to be the left of the steering column and the heater instructions next to the wiper motor? Also noticed the on/off switch data plate missing along with a few stickers under the hood. I know minor details that are easily corrected. All that said, I think its a really nice vehicle and the trailer is a bonus. I hope the guy gets his asking price.
Hey what's with the west coast mirors? I've noticed a lot of guys putting these on in place of the 5" round ones. I'm sure visibility improves and they look good especially when installed on both sides. Did the military go to this style later on or is this a personal preference item?

The data plates on the A2s were moved to a space behind the grab handle when rops was installed. the heater instruction plate belongs on the windshield next to the wiper motor, you can see where it originally was in the pic, dunno why they'd move that, and yes the on-off ignition plate is missing. The square mirrors are issue A2 mirrors.

Jim

Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » January 27th, 2008, 11:23 pm

Moose,

I doesn't appear to ever had ROPS because the mod plate wasn't installed on the left side of the steering column. Of course the ROPS could have been removed and the holes filled in during the restoration. That might be why the heater instructions are on the dash instead of the windshield. It's hiding the dash cut out from the mod.

Tim

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » January 28th, 2008, 12:00 am

theres a few little things that are off with it, like the A1 reflectors on the rear fender... its a late model A2 cause it has the smog control stuff on it. The dataplate is where they put them on jeeps with rops, which I beleive all of the late model ones had. There are no visible holes on the outer body for the rops brackets so I think maybe the holes were all filled in. This is a very nice looking jeep although I think its priced kinda high. With that nice M416 and the RT-246 I'd think about 12000 would be reasonable....

Jim

mrdibbles · Unread post by **mrdibbles** » January 28th, 2008, 10:02 am

Hey Moose-
I think $12,000 is a little low on this one. I sure hope it is anyway. I think we as a community undervalue these Jeeps. Restored Jeep CJ7's can easily fetch upwards of 20,000 and they were made like gangbusters. Nobody needs to look long to see one on the highway and if you're a buyer you'll likely find a good one in short order that meets your criteria. With our Mutts however... there aren't many and it can take a LONG time to find a good one. Then once you do it's not like you can dicker by showing the seller the Auto Trader where there are 6 other advertisements with a cheaper price. Fact is we generally probably buy these from people that either don't know what they are worth (if we're geting a good deal) or we're buying basket cases to restore completely. I know that in a restoration seldom does a restorer get out of his auto what he puts into it but let's look at my scenario real quick. I bought my A2 for $10,500 with the M416 incl. I then put between 6-7K into it and none of that was labor. So on paper it looks like an A2 that might be worth upwards of $17,500. Now let's assume for one second that my time is worth something. Labor Rates in Texas run about $70 an hour. I am no professional so let's cut that number is half and make my time worth $35 an hour. That would make the labor I invested into my A2 about $7,000. With labor included my A2 looks more like a $24,500 A2. While I will be the first one to admit I could never sell it for that it's important that we all understand that bringing a Jeep up to high standards isn't cheap. I am not saying this guy's A2 is as nice as mine, heck it may be nicer for all I know, but $12,000 would be a steal if he went through the same efforts I did

Regards,
Matt-

njjeeper · Unread post by **njjeeper** » January 28th, 2008, 12:35 pm

MR D, I think you are swinigng toward the high side becuase you had a high initial investment. For 10k, your rig should have been near to done if not totally done. It seems like most A2's that are done nice with titles go for around 10 - 12k. I have yet to see one go for anywhere near 20k. Even 15k would be a lot for a niche market vehicle. I love these trucks like everyone here, but the facts are that 9 out 10 avg jeep guys would rather have a CJ they can customize and comapre to thier freinds over a M151. Thats why the CJ's go for so much. There are more of the cj's than the mutts, but the fan base is much much larger so the supply and demand rules kick in. Sadly, like you said, we rarely get out what we put in with the auto hobby. Thats even more true when you spend a lot up front and then have to do work. At the end of the day, its fun and the cost of happiness cant be measured!

mrdibbles · Unread post by **mrdibbles** » January 28th, 2008, 1:13 pm

[quote="njjeeper"]MR D, I think you are swinigng toward the high side becuase you had a high initial investment. For 10k, your rig should have been near to done if not totally done.quote]

I disagree but that's ok. We all deserve our opinions. Essentially I paid $9,500 for the A2 (1K for the trailer) and it was here in my vicinity. Had I bought it elsewhere I would have had to have it shipped. I will agree that I may have paid a little more than I needed to but in the end I wasn't paying $800-$1,500 to ship it. It was what I wanted, when I wanted it, and all of that carries a value.

Also the assumption that mine should have been all "done" for around $10,000 is way off. David Pizzoferrato is selling one he did, arguably one of the nation's best, and he's asking well north of 20K. Clearly that's a niche market because it's been for sale for a while but what I reference here is that you can toss 10K into a Mutt fairly quickly in just NOS parts. NOS motors can fetch north of 2K. Completely rebuilding a transmission can easily cost a grand. Full top made through Weebee can be $800. Seats from Weebee another $600. New tires mounted and balanced $600. Heck that's nearly $5,000 in parts right off the top of my head. No accounting there at all for paint and body work. No accounting there for NOS gauges, NOS Steering Wheel, NOS U-Joints, NOS Diffs, or you name it. No... a Mutt cannot be done to a high standard for 10K. Not in my opinion anyway. While coating something in fresh OD makes a jeep "Look" done it ain't.

I am not arguing by the way that if you haven't done what I did that your, or anyone else's, Jeep is somehow inferior. I am simply stating the economics of restorations. Mine cost me at least $16,000 to do and it is neither perfect nor completely redone. I had to draw the line somewhere... as we all do.

P.S. If you want me to tell of the heart wrenching realities of restoring a British car I would be more than happy to. The numbers quadruple for everyhting listed above and one can easily spend $75,000 to $100,000 to restore a car to concours that in the end will at most fetch $60,000 to $75,000 at auction. It is absolutely a losing proposition

Oh and .... no I didn't do that to mine... I simply would be able to sleep at night if I did.

Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » January 28th, 2008, 1:38 pm

mrdibbles,

The A-2 you refer to has sold for 24,000. Here is the link http://www.armyjeeps.net/vehicle1.htm I don't know who would pay that much money for one but he must of really wanted one bad enough. Makes this one here look like a steal. Bottom line is everyone has a price that they are willing to pay for things. I bought mine to restore and was real careful not to get myself upside down in case I have to unload it. I plan on using mine as it was intended and maybe one day I'll drive it to Aberdeen.

Tim

njjeeper · Unread post by **njjeeper** » January 28th, 2008, 4:21 pm

Mr D, no offense intended. Sorry if it seemed like I was attacking what you spent. I was just trying to illustrate the point that people tend to value what they have based on what they have in it. Someone with 10k in thier jeep might think it was worth 12k where someone with 20k invested would think 12k was in an insult. As has been said, its only worth what someone will pay for it. Sorry if I ruffled anyone up!!