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Unread post by **rickf** » December 4th, 2019, 5:25 pm

You are VERY lucky to have landed over that ditch!!!!!!!! OK people, NOW ask me why I always say I want to keep the ROPS. Go ahead, ASK!

Surveyor · Unread post by **Surveyor** » December 4th, 2019, 8:48 pm

True, a near death experience but that's not a ditch. That was a chasm to hell starting to open up. When Ol Scratch

heard 12B was coming to fix his attitudinal problem, he shut that point of entry quick, fast, and in a hurry.

acudanut · Unread post by **acudanut** » December 5th, 2019, 12:05 am

Surveyor wrote: ↑
December 4th, 2019, 8:48 pm
True, a near death experience but that's not a ditch. That was a chasm to hell starting to open up. When Ol Scratch heard 12B was coming to fix his attitudinal problem, he shut that point of entry quick, fast, and in a hurry.

Sorry, I don't speak Cajun. lol. "When Ol Scratch

heard 12B was coming to fix his attitudinal problem, he shut that point of entry quick, fast, and in a hurry.

"

Anyway, were you hurt ???? I can't believe you walked away from this. Anymore pictures or details. You are so lucky your alive. !!
How fast do you think you were going ? What gear do you remember being in ? You said you had a Trailer behind you ?

m3a1 · Unread post by **m3a1** » December 5th, 2019, 12:55 am

Well, I hope you're okay but I'm rather sure you have at least a few bumps. What are your injuries?

12Bravo · Unread post by **12Bravo** » December 5th, 2019, 3:46 am

loaded trailer , abou 15- 20 MPH ,sharp curve , no curve sign , down a steep grade ,fresh rock on top of sandstone slabs, hit the brakes a touch ,started to slide ,let up ,trailer pushed her around and they we go. A 4 wheel drive Ford was spinning going up the hill ,slick as snot. It was like being on ice, nothing I could do.

Mark · Unread post by **Mark** » December 5th, 2019, 9:11 am

15--20 MPH is how fast I turn a corner in town, on a highway curve maybe 40MPH.So the trailer is the key factor in that it pushed the mutt over in a down hill turn?I see it is an A2 which I thought had more stability than a 151?

Unread post by **rickf** » December 5th, 2019, 10:06 am

Any short, narrow wheelbase vehicle can roll easily if it gets sliding sideways. All you need is something to obstruct a low side wheel or in this case the ditch where the low side sliding wheels went even lower and that put the center of gravity over the limit. If the rivets broke on the rim then that would have had the same effect of lowering the low side and the center of gravity. The only time I have ever seen broken rivets on a wheel is in severe crashes or really rusty rims.

There is something else to be learned here, a trailer with a heavy load will push the towing vehicle and when you hit the brakes it is going to unload the rear suspension and that in turn will lock the rear tires. Hence the rear end is going to come around. I never understood why they didn't add service brakes to the 416 like they did to the 116 trailers.

acudanut · Unread post by **acudanut** » December 5th, 2019, 1:52 pm

Heavy trailers with no brakes is a accident waiting to happened. This road sounds very dangerous.

Unread post by **rickf** » December 5th, 2019, 6:10 pm

Any mountain dirt road is that way but the ones with shale rock are just plain evil. Had a ton of those roads where I used to live. They are even more fun in the winter covered in snow and ice. you start sliding you do your best to hit the wall on the high side before you get enough momentum to bounce off and go over the side with no bottom. At least if you hit the wall it slows you down and there is deep snow there to get a grip on. You flatlanders would be in trouble in the mountains!

acudanut · Unread post by **acudanut** » December 6th, 2019, 3:44 pm

Some flat landers yes. I live for the Rockies, and we are talking 3 miles high.

Have you ever driven to the top of Pikes Peak. ?

Mr. Recovery · Unread post by **Mr. Recovery** » December 6th, 2019, 5:52 pm

acudanut wrote: ↑
December 6th, 2019, 3:44 pm
Some flat landers yes. I live for the Rockies, and we are talking 3 miles high.
Have you ever driven to the top of Pikes Peak. ?

I have, I think at least 5 times, Drove my 1955 T-Bird up and later my 1962 Corvair when I was at Fort Carson from 1964 to 66 then again in my 1966 Dodge Charger when I lived out there in Canon City in the late 70s

Sat in the Snow at the area known as Devils Playground and watched the Hill Clime twice, back then it was all dirt road not paved like it is now!

m3a1 · Unread post by **m3a1** » December 6th, 2019, 6:48 pm

Back when I drove to Pike's Peak it was unpaved, in the rain, and it was uphill both ways!

Unread post by **rickf** » December 6th, 2019, 9:56 pm

Dan, if you were there in 78 watching the race you may have seen me in a Chenowith buggy! Running dual Weber 44 carbs and by the time I got to the top it was running so rich it would not idle but came in second in class. It took a few minutes for the crew to get me out of the seat, my butt had a firm grip on the seat pad!!!!!! Try that hill at close to 100 MPH! In a buggy with no weight on the front and massive understeer. You didn't want to use the cutting brakes at that speed because it could trow you around and off backwards. Of coarse that was the first year for the Quattro and that made everyone look like turtles!

acudanut · Unread post by **acudanut** » December 7th, 2019, 12:58 pm

Sounds FUN Rick.
Hey what happened to the pic's of the roll--over 12 Bravo ?. ?

After you heal, are you gonna fix her up ?

Unread post by **rickf** » December 7th, 2019, 5:15 pm

Pics were removed at his request

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