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thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby dr. trinkmann » October 17th, 2017, 1:13 am

Gentlemen,

did someone ever do a list of bolts and nuts or at least of the threat-sizes that are used with the mutt?
As I live in Germany, wich is strictly 'metric'-orientated, it is not easy to find UNC and UNF fastening assortments here.
But I have a neighbor who works for another year in the States and he offered me some space for my goods in his naval-containers when he returns to Germany.
It would be nice, if someone could give me a list of the common threat-sizes or the used bolts/nuts. Some weblinks to buy bolts- and nut-assortments in the states would be also very nice.

Thank You for Your help
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby svramselaar » October 17th, 2017, 2:49 am

hi

the problem is all USA brands made at Europa go over to metric Caterpillar john deere Clark
a friend off my has heavy equipment for years he had a whole wall unf and unc now a chest
i have a adres at Germany for the unf unc yellow plates nuts / bolts / screws
i have the adres at my shop not here bud tomorrow i give it
he has assortments zinc plated
the yellow ones for the mutt you can get them from 5 pieces up

the mutt uses yellow plated nuts and bolts unf and unc from 1/4 till 3/8 length 1/2 till 2 inch
the bigger than 5/16 and a 1/2 inch this ones are for the alternator / bell housing / engine mounts / tow pintle / rear shocks /???
the longer ones are for the rear arm hangers / bumpers

at the head off the bolts
normal work three stripes
heave duty six stripes

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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby rickf » October 17th, 2017, 8:56 am

I would check out Georges contact first but online you can look up McMaster-Carr. To clarify the stripes on the bolt head, Three lines are grade 5 and are for most uses and 6 lines are grade 8 and are hardened bolts needed in high shear strength areas. The military uses fine thread grade 8 in most locations.
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby dr. trinkmann » October 17th, 2017, 9:52 am

Ok. Thanks, but...
...first of all is to know especially what (only those UNC/UNF diameter and tpi sizes used with the Mutt) and second is to know where to buy.
I don't want to waste money on sizes I won't ever need.
Might be a good idea too buying only the longest bolts of any used tread-size an cut them off to the required length...

Thank you for your support
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby m3a1 » October 17th, 2017, 11:22 am

What you are asking is going to be very difficult to answer as your question would appear to ask for us to give you information on every fastener used on these trucks.

As Rick responded, one of the variables is grade. By the way, do not assume that higher grades, such as Grade 8 are always well-suited to every task on the M151.

Another variable is the number of threads per inch (many threads per inch equates to "fine thread", fewer threads per inch equates to "course thread").

Another variable is size.

Another variable is length.

Yet another variable is whether the bolt has a shank and if so, shank length.

So, you see it would be very difficult in providing you with the information we think you really need.

Addressing your question in simplest, most direct terms, the most common sizes found on these trucks range from 1/4 inch to 7/16 inch and even more common would be the 5/16 inch to 3/8 inch fastener, almost all of which have fine thread.

It may be that the Tech Manuals may address your question more effectively so you should take a look.
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby rickf » October 17th, 2017, 2:37 pm

If you go to the -20P and -34P manuals I am pretty sure it gives the bolt description and size for each bolt. I will look later on this evening to see if that is correct.
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby Fil Bonica » October 17th, 2017, 2:52 pm

Been collecting military hardware for 25 years.
Probably have 100 pounds in a cabnet
When I start a project I still need more.
The wrong length or too few.
Its a basic problem:

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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby rickf » October 17th, 2017, 3:11 pm

And you can't just buy the longest bolt because the threads do not go the whole length.
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby svramselaar » October 18th, 2017, 3:29 am

hi

here the link to the fasteners

http://stores.ebay.de/screwcorner

for rickf at the left side gelb verz are the yellow plated ones

george
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby svramselaar » October 18th, 2017, 3:38 am

sorry forgotten

if you look at a item put in at anzahl at the page the amount and you see the price of the bag

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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby rickf » October 18th, 2017, 9:22 am

Here is the McMaster-Carr site, Prices are about the same. I don't know about overseas shipping.
Here is the home page, They have anything and everything for fastening.
https://www.mcmaster.com/



This is where you would go for the bolts you need.
https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-hex- ... s/=19v6vwc

It will not stay at the level where the bolts are that you are looking for. Just click on the top left bolt a couple times and you will get there.
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby Fil Bonica » October 18th, 2017, 9:29 am

As was said the -20 and -34 P list part numbers for each bolt.
There is a manual to cross reference each but dont know where to find it.

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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby dr. trinkmann » October 20th, 2017, 4:11 am

Comparing prices in the US vs Germany leads me into buying directly in Germany. That seems to makes much more sense.
So I will hunt for the 20P/34P listed UNC/UNF sizes and additionally for some #6/8/10 fasteners.

Thanks to all of you!
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Re: thread-sizes, bolts and nut used with the Mutt

Postby on-to-berlin » October 23rd, 2017, 3:15 pm

Trinkmann,

go here:

http://www.zollshop.de/

I bought mine for my recent restauration all there. Has UNC and UNF. Look in the manual what you need. To start with I bought nuts and bolts assortment so I could check what I needed most

They also have the yellow plated ones that are essential for a nice restauration
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