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M151A2 joining my family.

Postby Cav Trooper » May 10th, 2018, 5:23 pm

I going to be the proud owner of a M151A2 rebuilt by Vin Zike. It's being worked on as I write. I am doing some of the tinkering stuff after I receive the MUTT. I am looking for details on stenciling for a 1970 Ford MUTT and will probably be bugging all of you for other little things. This will be a PAPA and Grandson project, not much to do but tinker a little and enjoy as Vin is doing all of the heavy lifting. Vin is digging up his info on the transporter he used to haul cross country and if anyone else has good info, I'd appreciate it. Towing from Fl to Ohio looks to be almost a wash between renting a trailer and pulling it and having it transported. Thoughts appreciated.
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Postby Mr. Recovery » May 11th, 2018, 9:50 am

A U-Haul Tow Dolly works fine and is inexpensive, also it can be towed with the front or rear wheels on the dolly , :roll: You only need to remove the wheel shafts from the wheels that will be on the road.


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Postby acudanut » May 11th, 2018, 12:39 pm

IMO, Always put the heavy front end forward. Rent a full trailer too.
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Postby rickf » May 11th, 2018, 12:57 pm

Ken the Muttguru would be the best person to contact for numbering for a 1970, Any dataplates or do you have the body tag to prove the lineage? 1970 was a rare year for the A2 Ford. It will have the non cut out A2 style fenders. Not too many of them around. It should have the BUDD tag on the cowl for the year. I remember when he got this one but I don't remember all the details. And once it is all together a trailer s the best way to travel.
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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby Cav Trooper » May 11th, 2018, 7:24 pm

I don't believe it has the BUDD tag. Vin Zike is rebuilding it for me and I should have it in less than a month. I would not use a dolly to tow it, 1100 miles is too far. I've figured fuel, lodging and uhaul trailer rental and it's approaching a grand and for another couple of hundred I can get it transported in an enclosed trailer and insured. As much as I'd like to do it myself, I think a transport co. might be the best way. How do I contact Ken the Muttguru? It has a data plate. Vin says It's a 1970.
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Postby rickf » May 11th, 2018, 7:47 pm

Here is Kens info, Send him a PM. I am sure he will ask for pictures so be prepared. He may be able to offer up some info based on the data plate. A 1970 Ford has very unique front fenders. I don't want to get in the middle of any private dealings between members so I will back out of this one.
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Postby acudanut » May 12th, 2018, 12:34 pm

Why would someone remove the BUDD tag ? I would run away. (my 2 cents)
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Postby rickf » May 12th, 2018, 2:02 pm

The BUDD tag is a build tag that is basically used by the manufacturer on the assembly line to keep track of the vehicles. It is not a serial number and it can be repeated in different series of vehicles. Ford used one type, Kaiser used another and AMG used yet another. They were removed during restorations or by previous owners for whatever reasons. Sometimes they just fall off. It is not like removing the serial number on a car. M-151's have no real serial number, only the number which is assigned when they are checked into the military inventory and the data plate is screwed to the dash. Key word being "screwed" to the dash. It is removable. A perfect example is my own which has a data plate that states it is a 67 when in fact I am lucky enough to have the BUDD tag and it is a 64. I have a title that matches the data plate so that is what I go with. This is common practice with the M-151 again since there are no serial numbers assigned at the factory.
Please do not construe what I say to mean you are getting a bad deal since I have not seen the vehicle. I do know that Vin does very good work and I seriously doubt he is giving you a bad deal.
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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby rickf » May 12th, 2018, 2:04 pm

acudanut wrote:Why would someone remove the BUDD tag ? I would run away. (my 2 cents)


Do you have the BUDD tag on yours?
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Postby Redlight » May 12th, 2018, 4:16 pm

Quick note on towing jeep. If you use tow dolly as pictured two comments. A) If towed from front(engine ) for weight, the rear tires on a M151 or M151a1 tend to move inwards and there is uneven tire wear. I towed mine from Boston to Smoky Mountains Kentucky and back (2K miles) and had to replace one tire due to wear. if towed from rear, tie down the steering wheel as they can move and twist on dolly. Then jeep is not in line with tow vehicle.
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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby rickf » May 12th, 2018, 5:56 pm

Redlight wrote:Quick note on towing jeep. If you use tow dolly as pictured two comments. A) If towed from front(engine ) for weight, the rear tires on a M151 or M151a1 tend to move inwards and there is uneven tire wear. I towed mine from Boston to Smoky Mountains Kentucky and back (2K miles) and had to replace one tire due to wear. if towed from rear, tie down the steering wheel as they can move and twist on dolly. Then jeep is not in line with tow vehicle.

If you had to replace one tire then you have a rear toe alignment issue. The fact that the tires have positive camber will not change the wear as long as the alignment is good. BUT, that said, NDCC tires do not wear well at all due to the small contact patch so do not expect to tow it across the country in any way with tires on the ground and think there will be no appreciable wear. Towing with the rear tires on a dolly is a risky proposition because if the front wheels can steer at all you can loose control very quickly with two pivot points very close together. The steering wheel can be tied but the play in the steering box is enough to start the movement. It will start whipping back and forth before you can stop. The end results are never good.
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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby Cav Trooper » May 12th, 2018, 8:03 pm

I'm sorry I brought up the BUDD tag, If someone is going to bash Vin. I trust him and have visited his shop while he is building my M151 and have complete confidence in him. Let's drop the subject please. I did not see any info posted on contacting Ken.
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Postby m3a1 » May 12th, 2018, 10:38 pm

Cav T,

The following will take you to the page where you can contact Muttguru -

memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=5

You can click on Members (top-center of the page below the header bar) and locate each of us in that way, or you can click on a member's name if he/she is the author of a particular post and that will take you to a similar page.

Often times it is beneficial to publicly respond to a post with something like "PM Sent to John Doe" which is something of a secondary alert for that member to check his messages. If you look in the upper left corner of the page, below the header bar you will see "User Control Panel (1 new messages) which is meant to alert you to a message waiting for you.

Hope this has helped.

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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby rickf » May 13th, 2018, 7:46 am

Cav Trooper wrote:I'm sorry I brought up the BUDD tag, If someone is going to bash Vin. I trust him and have visited his shop while he is building my M151 and have complete confidence in him. Let's drop the subject please. I did not see any info posted on contacting Ken.
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Re: M151A2 joining my family.

Postby Vzike » May 14th, 2018, 12:01 am

Hey, we're all good on figuring out the info on this on. I picked up this A2 from a guy in VT. The title says 1977 AMG, VIN #5500880. We all know how the game was played on some of these. The original sides are on the vehicle and have not drain scuppers. The Front fenders and stamped, and not fabricated from with a second piece. There is obviously been a BUDD plate, right where it goes. So, Sports Fans, exactly what is it? Ken can give him the best answer.

I'd post pictures, but have not figured out how since PhotoBucket rear ended us.
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