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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by rickf » August 21st, 2009, 9:30 am

They are definitely not flying nape of the earth are they? :roll: I wonder if those straps loop under the axle, looks like they go towards both sides of the fender.

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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by moose53 » August 21st, 2009, 8:28 pm

4 straps, one to each hub

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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by rickf » August 21st, 2009, 8:53 pm

Trailer? How is the trailer suspended?
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by moose53 » August 21st, 2009, 9:08 pm

wooden supports from rear of jeep to front of trailer, two more straps. not sure what they hooked them to in that pic

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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by gpready » August 21st, 2009, 11:40 pm

Ok, here is my attempt to decipher the posed question...

USMC M151's (to include A1 and A2's) have been know to have, but not limited to, nor responsible for (if not found on a USMC Mutt)....

-Longer front bumper with D-style rings on each end
-Fording valves unique to USMC production needs
-Windshild motor vent tube (connected to the fording valve)
-Minus lifting/tie down front hubs
-FAV applications, etc...
-No specific lettering/markings unique to standards (even though there is PM guidance for USMC Mutts...good luck finding historic documentation that Marines actually followed them) US Army seemed to be much more structured at this

I think I got all of them.

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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by Ralph Fuller » August 22nd, 2009, 6:44 am

You don't need slings to lift a MUTT
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by toptiger » August 22nd, 2009, 7:25 am

BG6, I didn't do many sling load ops [ :D ], but my unit did. If a load was dropped due to incorrect rigging leading to a failure of some sort, it wasn't our {flight crew's} problem. We were responsible for the hook, that was it. The ground unit rigged their own loads. If a load was dumped in flight by the ac {aircraft commander}, usually due to excessive swinging {normally due to pilot input/error} or rarely following an a/c system failure, it was our problem.
Usually, we landed and had the crew chief check out the sling rig, length, estimate weight etc of the load, but he got back in the ship to direct the ac while he hovered over to the load. the ground pounders, not air crew slipped the sling onto the hook.
Granted we were 1st Avn Brigade assets, hired out to support other units - the 1st Cav or any other unit with their own air assets may have handled it differently.
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by SEABEE62 » August 22nd, 2009, 10:49 am

You know when Rickf talks about 'slings", I have to worry a little bit. TopTiger I trust ( I think ), when he is not with Rickf. Throw in Rainman.......and I'll definitely stay on the ground !!! Just give me a flatbed and a front end loader, and we can deliver those Mutts , and use the netting to secure them. ( just like they did to us on those C-17s in flight ) . Seabee
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by SEABEE62 » August 22nd, 2009, 11:02 am

Sorry, I meant C130, not C17. Big difference. Seabee
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by rickf » August 22nd, 2009, 11:53 am

Did I fail to mention that I have been a heavy equipment operator most of my life. Actually learned on a military surplus Cat 60 cable lift dozer in the 50's. My uncle built a leaning platform for me to lean against so I could push the pedals since I was too small to sit in the seat! The brake levers were as tall as me!


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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by Francis Marion » August 22nd, 2009, 11:56 am

toptiger wrote:BG6, I didn't do many sling load ops [ :D ], but my unit did. If a load was dropped due to incorrect rigging leading to a failure of some sort, it wasn't our {flight crew's} problem. We were responsible for the hook, that was it. The ground unit rigged their own loads. If a load was dumped in flight by the ac {aircraft commander}, usually due to excessive swinging {normally due to pilot input/error} or rarely following an a/c system failure, it was our problem.
We usually landed and have the crew chief check out the sling rig, length, estimate weight etc of the load, but he got back in the ship to direct the ac while he hovered over to the load. the ground pounders, not air crew slipped the sling onto the hook.
Granted we were 1st Avn Brigade assets, hired out to support other units - the 1st Cav or any other unit with their own air assets may have handled it differently.
that's exactly how we've done it - every time. We rig the vehicle, fly-boy hovers over vehicle, we attach slings to hook then stand clear & watch the show.
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by SEABEE62 » August 22nd, 2009, 2:01 pm

Hi Rickf, Now I'm impressed !!!! How come you didn't become a Seabee Equipment Operator . I would refer to you as a Renaissance Man, since you have so many talents. Good to know. Seabee
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by toptiger » August 22nd, 2009, 2:22 pm

seabee, Rick's last post reminded me that you and I are brothers of sorts, errr sort of....
Look, i do not own up to this normally, but before flight school, i was commissioned as a combat engineer from Ft Belvoir OCS, and we studied all that good stuff and drove all the equipment too including the D6, road graders etc..., even had the basic demolition training {not much using past det cord and C-4, and improvised shape charges.}
So that makes me a sort of Seabee, no? .....only smarter, and no need for a big hammer.
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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by rickf » August 22nd, 2009, 2:28 pm

Now THAT is Dangerous! A seabee with advanced training and a pilots license.

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Re: Marine vs Army m151's

Unread post by SEABEE62 » August 22nd, 2009, 4:56 pm

GIVE ME A BREAK....SMARTER ? You were in the A-R-M-Y ? or did I spell it too fast for you. " Army Combat Engineers Rule the Earth- AFTER measuring, modifying, and Rebuilding it TWICE !!!!" Boy did you step into it. How many times did you crash anyway ? OK, if you lay off the Army Combat Engineer Rule junk, I guess I can accept you as a Seabee Wantabe. Seabee
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