Mutt with Diesel Power packs

[sherwan_88]

How do you feel about putting a diesel engine in a mutt from a non-collectors point of view?

[mrdibbles]

I kinda like the idea personally. All depends on how cleanly it's done. There has been one for sale for a long time in England. It's all original with the exception of Diesel. The hood had to be modded to fit the powerpack but otherwise it looked like a nice A2. Going diesel really hurts resale though... this one's priced reasonably but hadn't sold in many moons.





Link to Auction:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/M151-A2-MUTT-VIET ... 4a9d4cad59

[rickf]

I am with Mr. D.. As long as it is a clean install then go for it. In your section of the world it is probably more practical anyway. How many people over there really appreciate the original engine. Or whether you keep the vehicle original or not.

Rick

[sarmadq]

Pretty surprized to see that coming from you Sher ...............

It depends what type of engine & with what configuration you put in to play around with the hood. If you put in a simple Toyota 2C (most commonaly used here), there's no difference in the hood. Only the oil sump needs to be fabricated.

If you put in a turbo, then too there are options, either you give a scoop in the hood or fabricate it on the side, so that the fender wall takes the buldge.

A friend here has recently put on a super charger to the 2C turbo Mutt he's had for years. Now there's no stopping it.

One thing that most people do here (in this part of the world) is that they switch the engine only, without giving any consideration to the diffs and transmission. Technically speaking, when you change the power plant, you need to change the drive plant too, i.e. transmission & differentials.
Another thing done wrong most of the times is that an alteration done this way, is non-reversable. Meaning, if you were to switch back to the original engine somehow, you'd need to alter back to it. Try not to do that & have the mating plates of the engine altered to fit the original Mutt foundations.

A future buyer, who likes to keep things original may praise you.

Agree with you Rick, there aren't many who stick to the original, but I feel its not a matter of appreciating, its a matter of availability. If originals are supported, then many would keep 'em like that.

Diesel conversion was once viable, when there was a huge difference between the prices of gasoline and diesel, but now its gone the other way round, with diesel being expensive than gas.

[sherwan_88]

My intention is to keep it as clean as i can and i mean no cutting or bending. As Sam mentioned a Toyota 2C is the best fit with only the engine mounts to be fabricated and nothing else.

I am actually not happy to do the conversion personally but the current economic, state and infrastructure status is making life much harder, current fuel prices don't allow me have full tank of, gas, and with power and gas outages lasting 16hrs a day its really hard to keep investing in the mutt, with a diesel conversion i can have low running costs, less often maintenance costs and runs. A bit more practicality compared to gasoline. Most of the time the mutt sits in the garage with minor problems which one expects from a 28 year old vehicle, that was fine by me until the recently when conditions are deteriorating rapidly, most of the part to blame is the scarcity of parts, and if i do find them age has a bitter effect on them as you know i have problem with carbs which don't seem to last longer 2-3 months.

Currently i'm on the search of engine in good condition and

Sam,
Ii really don't agree on the point where one has to change/update the drive-line when the engine is almost the same in power, torque and capacity, though i have to agree the RPM's being slightly higher might push the drive-line harder but as long as one is keeps that in mind and keep a light foot i don't see a problem, but i'm not the expert on transplants and have no idea, so I'll leave it to you and the experts.

[Deserttmutt]

nothing BEATS the real thing!! but necessity dictates everything
and most of all, diesel fuel is NOT as FLAMABLE as gas....

/c

[sarmadq]

My intention is to keep it as clean as i can and i mean no cutting or bending. As Sam mentioned a Toyota 2C is the best fit with only the engine mounts to be fabricated and nothing else.

I am actually not happy to do the conversion personally but the current economic, state and infrastructure status is making life much harder, current fuel prices don't allow me have full tank of, gas, and with power and gas outages lasting 16hrs a day its really hard to keep investing in the mutt, with a diesel conversion i can have low running costs, less often maintenance costs and runs. A bit more practicality compared to gasoline. Most of the time the mutt sits in the garage with minor problems which one expects from a 28 year old vehicle, that was fine by me until the recently when conditions are deteriorating rapidly, most of the part to blame is the scarcity of parts, and if i do find them age has a bitter effect on them as you know i have problem with carbs which don't seem to last longer 2-3 months.

Currently i'm on the search of engine in good condition and

Sam,
Ii really don't agree on the point where one has to change/update the drive-line when the engine is almost the same in power, torque and capacity, though i have to agree the RPM's being slightly higher might push the drive-line harder but as long as one is keeps that in mind and keep a light foot i don't see a problem, but i'm not the expert on transplants and have no idea, so I'll leave it to you and the experts.

If you stick to a simple 2C conversion, then you really don't need to replace the tranny and / or the diffs. Their ratios match closely. If you want to go in for a conversion like that of Saqib, then that's a totally different thing altogether.

I have 2 engines on the spare, one of them a diesel and I know that that they day my runner dies, I'd be very tempted to convert. Knowing that the 2nd one's gonna last me a year max with all the headaches included.

[Ralph Fuller]

Your MUTT, your money, your time and your challenge.
Now, if you were talking about my MUTT....that's a different thing....just sayin'

[baios]

i also like the idea of a diesel engine!!!!!And all with the fuel cost!!!The diesel engines burn the diesel slowly!!!What model of toyota engine will fit???

[sarmadq]

i also like the idea of a diesel engine!!!!!And all with the fuel cost!!!The diesel engines burn the diesel slowly!!!What model of toyota engine will fit???

Baios,
The Toyota 2C came in the following vehicles, to name a few;
Lite Ace / Town Ace (4x4 vans), Camry / Carina / Corolla Sedans and Station Wagons

The other options are;
2L
The 2L is a 2.4 L (2446 cc) 4 cylinder diesel engine. Bore is 92 mm and stroke is 92 mm, with a compression ratio of 22.3:1. Output is 72 hp (53.6 kW) at 4000 RPM with 115 ft·lb (155.9 N·m) of torque at 2200 RPM.
Used in Toyota Hiace, Toyota Hilux, Toyota Dyna and the diesel variants of the Toyota Revo.

2L-T
The 2L-T is a 2.4 L (2446 cc) turbo version of the 2L still being produced since 1985. The bore and stroke are the same but the 2L-T has a compression ratio of 20:1. Output is 86 hp (64.1 kW) at 4000 RPM with 139 ft·lb (188.4 N·m) of torque at 2200 RPM.
Used in Toyota Hilux Toyota Cresta Super Custom

You can check out the link below for more options & info.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toyota_engines#Straight-4_2

[rickf]

I am curious about how you mate these engines to the original transmission, I am sure it is not a bolt on.


Rick

[sherwan_88]

I am curious about how you mate these engines to the original transmission, I am sure it is not a bolt on.


Rick

One takes a very thick sheet of metal, about 1/2 inch and upto 1 inch. Bolt the gearbox on one side and bolt the engine on one side and you have an adaptor "plate (local term)"

[rickf]

What about the clutch? If using the stock clutch how is that adapted to the new motor? Also, if you space out the motor too far you will not engage the pilot bearing.

Rick

[baios]

Hmmm yes rick is right but as for me I do not have a lot of technical knowelenges baby sherwan knows that!

[sherwan_88]

What about the clutch? If using the stock clutch how is that adapted to the new motor? Also, if you space out the motor too far you will not engage the pilot bearing.

Rick

The stock clutch is simply swapped with the engines clutch. Also, some put the stock pressure plate on the flywheel with the stock clutch if they want to stick with the stock manual mechanism rather than the wet clutch.

As for the engine being spaced out too far, thats a rare case, but if that happens mechanics usually bring out the flywheel a bit further out by adding a spacer to the back.