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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby rickf » September 13th, 2018, 8:37 am

Even if you managed to repair the casting you still cannot get any hard parts for the carb. No jets, needle or seat or floats. The Holley is just not worth it in my opinion. They do not run any better than the Zenith at all.
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1984 M1008
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » September 25th, 2018, 12:36 am

I have the following engines for these two vehicles. I received one complete stuck engine in the yellow one, original engine. I also have the original engine for the second one, in pieces with several missing parts.

Then I also got this AM General take out powerpack, still banded to a pallet. The gage cluster attached to the speedometer cable showed around 33,000 miles. The carburetor has a production date stamp of 4 - 79. The radiator top tank has the following dates written in yellow grease pencil, 21 Feb 90 / 30 Sep 90. I am not sure if those were dates of vehicle maintenance or if they are connected to when it was surplused.

This engine luckily is not seized and I am certain it will run when I get a little time to try to run it on the pallet. It appears to have good compression but I haven't put a gage on it yet. I need to find my adapter for that size spark plug hole.

My son and I used foaming engine cleaner and another liquid degreaser along with solvent tank brushes to get the old oil and grease off of the engine. Were pleased how well it cleaned up. I plan to paint it because the paint is thin in several places

I noticed the transmission was made by the Japanese company, Howa. I thought this was interesting since this same company also makes rifles today, with the same logo.

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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » January 27th, 2019, 10:33 pm

I started to work on the rot and rust in the passengers side floorboard and battery box area today. On the front battery compartment bulkhead I found a body run number, stamped, "RUN # 7". I posted about this in the general discussion area today as well.

Now I am going to put you all to sleep with photos of the part, battery bulkhead, I am saving. I know CMD has this part for sale, affordable too at $80. But you see I was at home with the time and tools needed to fix it, so I am. I am going to buy my floors and several other parts from Guy at CMD.

I removed the bulkhead with a spot weld drill. Then I sandblasted and scribed a line to trim it to. I used a thin kerf cut off wheel in 4" grinder and trimmed all the rust off.

I took a piece of 1" x 2" x .0625 wall rectangular tube and split it on two sides to make my lower 2" inches of the bulkhead and flange. Then I formed a flange on the end and fitted it up to my existing bulkhead. I tacked it together and welded it.

My welds aren't as pretty as I am capable of but I was using .023 wire in my .030 drive rolls and it kept slipping, stopped feeding wire at odd times, causing random starts and stops. It was also an old roll of wire with a fair amount of rust on the outer few wraps.

After I welded the pieces together I split the new part with a body saw at the recessed areas. I made makeshift forming dies with flat bar and C clamps and started forming the lower ribs in the new piece.

Planning to get it finished up later this week. I mainly wanted the challenge of fabricating and saving this part since it had a neat piece of its history stamped into it.

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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby rickf » January 28th, 2019, 8:45 pm

NICE work! Fantastic welding. What equipment are you using?

On edit, I went back and saw the Miller 212. I use a Lincoln 180C commercial unit. Just curious, What settings are you using for that metal?
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » January 29th, 2019, 12:23 am

Thanks Rick!

I am set at about 37 on my wire speed and #2 on my voltage tap. This machine has the voltage tap switch positions 1 - 8. The newer ones are more "tuneable" because they are a dial.

I also cheat a bit by welding it in a down hand position with part being vertical. This lets me use speed so I don't put so much heat into the part.

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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » February 2nd, 2019, 4:54 pm

Here is a picture of the finished part. I will post a few more photos when the internet starts working again.

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I am now moving into removing the floor pans. I will have some custom fabrication to do on the main frame rail and the front crossmembers as I go.
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby rickf » February 2nd, 2019, 5:51 pm

THAT is impressive! Nice work.
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby Hambone » February 2nd, 2019, 6:41 pm

That is a nice job, doesn't look like you will have any problem with the metal work.
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » February 3rd, 2019, 2:59 pm

Rickf, Hambone,

Thank you both for the kind words. I am use to WW2 jeep body repair, where everything seems to need this level of fabrication. Having a seperate frame and body does make it easier on those.

Do either of you know what type of metal the M151 frame rails are made of. Is it mild steel, or 1018 or some other third thing? As I repair the frame rust and rot I want to make sure I use a similarly strong metal.

Thanks,

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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby Hambone » February 3rd, 2019, 3:16 pm

The body is 18 ga. mild steel, not sure the correct thickness of the main frame, the frame supports are ga. metal also, all mild steel.
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby rickf » February 3rd, 2019, 3:22 pm

I am pretty sure the entire thing is 18 gauge but you can PM Guy at CMD and ask him. I am sure he has miced out every part of the vehicle since he is into making the parts for them. The two main rails may be 16 gauge, I seem to think that where the bumpers bolt on is thicker and I don't remember it being doubled over.
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12/1952 M100- Departed
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » February 3rd, 2019, 5:07 pm

You are both correct, the body is 18 ga. The frame is 16 ga. What I am curious about is, are the frame rails mild steel like the rest of the body. Or are they something stronger like 1018, or something harder like Corten. These are all variations slightly stronger than mild steel. They flex and return to their original shape better than mild steel and are used in most car frames.
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby lpcoating » February 4th, 2019, 10:24 am

We have a PMI gun at the shop. I have an NOS under body repair kit and we scanned one of the front cross member pieces. It came back as "Carbon Steel". Not sure if the "frame" rails are the same material as what the under body kit is but I also don't think our unit will break it down into specifics on carbon steel (1018, corten, etc.). Anyway, I tried!

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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby rickf » February 4th, 2019, 6:28 pm

These were throwaway vehicles made to last ten years maximum. I seriously doubt they used any high dollar materials on them. The ones that rotted out ahead of time were just replaced, no big deal. I will bet the bumpers, bumperettes and frame rails were stamped out of the same sheet of steel at the same exact time, Bang, done.
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12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
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Re: Two 1962 Ford M151's

Postby M37 » February 4th, 2019, 11:14 pm

Rick and Guy,

Thank you both for your input! I am going to do my frame repairs with mild steel of the same thickness. Now I can get going on it, instead of over thinking it.

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