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Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » February 19th, 2008, 10:37 pm

Thanks Moose! Now what is the appropriate late year pattern? 3 or 4 camo?

k8icu · Unread post by **k8icu** » February 19th, 2008, 10:40 pm

Well I can't speak for the other services, but I was around Army mutts from the 80's on till they were all gone and they were either the forest green 34079 solid with no cammo (like they repainted the jeep and never finished the cammoing) or they were the 4 color cammo. I never saw one that was in 3 color. Not saying it didn't happen just that I never witness one.

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » February 19th, 2008, 11:21 pm

the 4 color camo was in use from the end of the vietnam war until the late 80's. The 3 color camo started in the late 80's when the switch was made to carc (chemical agent resistant compound) paint. It is still in use today in other than the sandbox countries. Like K8ICU (is that your call sign or Kate I see you?) I mostly saw overall green, because the vehicles came painted only in the base coat and the other colors were applied by the military. The Air Force didn't see a need to camo vehicles on the air bases, at least stateside. On the european bases there were a lot in the 3 color camo probably because of NATO. the 3 color camo is the official NATO camo as well. To answer your question, I guess it would depend on what time period you want to portray with your vehicle. When your jeep was new (assuming your talking about your 1978) It would have been 4 color or 34079 green overall. toward the end of its service it would have been either 34094 green overall or 3 color camo. I am doing mine as an Air Force Security Police Jeep at the end of its service life (early 90's, USAF was last to get hmmmv's) so it will be overall 34094 CARC 383 Green.

Jim

Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » February 20th, 2008, 2:00 am

Moose,

I'm looking at the end of service life. I personally never seen a M151 while I was in the Air Force. I remember seeing the hummers for the first time in Germany and the Army would convoy down the autobahn with the M151's. Anyway, if I do mine as an Air Force FAC vehicle would I be period correct with the 3 pattern camo?

Tim

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » February 20th, 2008, 2:31 am

m-11 wrote:Moose,

I'm looking at the end of service life. I personally never seen a M151 while I was in the Air Force. I remember seeing the hummers for the first time in Germany and the Army would convoy down the autobahn with the M151's. Anyway, if I do mine as an Air Force FAC vehicle would I be period correct with the 3 pattern camo?

Tim

I think you would be, although I haven't seen one. All the pics of FAC jeeps I've seen have been VN era. FAC's would have been deployed to the area of the conflict and so would have been camo'd. Ken the muttguru has told me he never saw one that wasn't camo over there in england. anything after about 1986 or 87 would have been 3 color. I think the 3 color looks better than the 4 color anyway. The air force didn't have a whole lot of 151's. The ones I saw generally belonged to the Combat Defense Squadrons, along with the peacekeepers and V100's. thats a whole lotta radios in a fac jeep hehehe

Jim

k8icu · Unread post by **k8icu** » February 20th, 2008, 10:55 pm

I think you'de be better doing the jeep in solid green like Moose said 34094 green, but that is just my opinion. I guess the real test would be is there a pattern for the 3 color NATO cammo? I have only seen the manuals and Technical Bullitens (TB) showing the older 4 color. So I would think that unless you could find the "offical" pattern you'de have to be adapting from another vehicles pattern.

Moose: K8ICU is my call sign. Originally issued KA8ICU in Feb 1980 as a novice and kept the same call sign till about 7 years ago when I was able to apply and get a vanity call sign and dropped that pesky A out of the call. KA8 is such a mouth full...lol.

Cobra5 · Unread post by **Cobra5** » February 21st, 2008, 12:13 am

I guess I could restore it back to the USN vehicle it was

How about strata blue with yellow hood numbers?

moose53 · Unread post by **moose53** » February 21st, 2008, 1:28 pm

there is a pattern for mutts in the 3 color camo. USAF tactical vehicles were either 34094 overall or camo. Never saw any in Strata Blue, that was used for non-tactical stuff like dodge vans and pickups, buses etc.

Jim

k8icu · Unread post by **k8icu** » February 21st, 2008, 10:23 pm

moose can you tell me what manual the 3 color cammo pattern is in for the 151? I've never seen it and would like to take a peak at it.

Horst · Unread post by **Horst** » February 22nd, 2008, 5:35 am

This picture shows 3 variants, prepped for 4 color camo, applied 4 color camo and applied 3 color camo. All of them USMC, I know that USAF was the question, nevertheless...

cstaup · Unread post by **cstaup** » February 22nd, 2008, 5:58 am

Great shot Horst, That kooks pretty recent.

Horst · Unread post by **Horst** » February 22nd, 2008, 6:23 am

Well I have to say that I found it on the web. Picture was most likely taken 3 years ago in the Netherlands. Trucks are (again most likely) from Barstow.

I have got my 151, also a truck from the Marines Supply Depot in Barstow, at the same time, but from a different dealer in the Netherlands too. Mine is also still in the 4 color camo prep look, however as it was one of the few left when I bought it, it was not in such a nice optical condition.

A few had been really mothballed, mine, as many others, was stored in the open, just intake, exhaust and instruments sealed with tape...

Floyd · Unread post by **Floyd** » February 22nd, 2008, 10:45 am

Who has a copy of TB 43-0209? I think that shows the 3 colour camo layout.

Floyd

Floyd · Unread post by **Floyd** » February 22nd, 2008, 11:02 am

I just found this and it's basically how the military did it.

4-3. PATTERN DESIGNS
Before applying camouflage paint patterns (CPP) to equipment, the pattern design for that equipment must be obtained.
Each type of item has its own CPP design which consists of 5 views of the equipment: front, back left side, right side and
top. Also issued with the designs are inspection worksheets and overspray gauges, which are necessary for inspecting
CPP once it is applied. To obtain design, inspection worksheets, and/or overspray gauges, write to:

Commander
Belvoir Research, Development and Engineering Center
ATTN: STRBE-JDA
R. Belvoir, VA 22060-5606

For the equipment being camouflaged, furnish the following data with your request:

Â· National Stock Number (NSN)
Â· Nomenclature
Â· Model Number (where applicable)
Â· Standard Study Number (if known)
Â· Line Item Number (if known)

See figure 4-1 for an example of the CPP for the M 113 Personnel Carrier. Within each area is a number that stands for
the color to be painted. The base, or primary" color is designated #2. Color #2 is usually applied first over all surfaces.
Color patches #1 and #3 are then applied over the primary coating.

Floyd

cstaup · Unread post by **cstaup** » February 22nd, 2008, 12:14 pm

http://www.tpub.com/content/automotiveaccessories/TB-43-0209/index.htm