Cutting brakes ?

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Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sarmadq » December 7th, 2009, 2:33 am

Guys, since theres been too much talk about Diff locks and we have seen how expensive they are, it came to mind to check whether we could have cutting brakes installed in the Mutts. Is that possible on a Mutt keeping all other things the same ?

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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sherwan_88 » December 7th, 2009, 9:27 am

How does this stuff work? never seen it before. The picture i see of the kit, tells me they are for disks. :roll:
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sarmadq » December 7th, 2009, 9:57 am

The link says it all. Been there for a longtime on competition rigs. The kit may be for discs, but its real simple for normal e-brake conversion to two handles. One each for each rear drum or disk brake.
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by rickf » December 7th, 2009, 10:17 am

I used cutting brakes on buggies racing in the desert in the early seventies. It could be done but why? On a buggy you have large rear tires and smaller fronts and almost no weight in the front. You needed the cutting brakes to get steering control. On a mutt about all it would do for you is to stop the spinning wheel and transfer the drive to the traction tire. That can be done by gently applying your foot brake. No modifications needed.


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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sarmadq » December 7th, 2009, 10:39 am

Rick, you've been using before my time and much before Sherwan's :). Agree that they aid in steering, but that's not what we would be looking for here. The foot brake thing's new & shall try, but won't that wear out the lining on the stuck wheel and even make it tuff to unfree ?
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by rickf » December 7th, 2009, 10:46 am

All you are trying to do is to create resistance in the wheel that is spinning free so some of the power will transfer to the wheel with traction. It does not work all the time, especially if the spinning tire is in water but it is worth a try. As far as wear, no more than normal use. You are not doing it all day.

I can assure you that the sand in that canal that Sherwan likes to get stuck in will eat a set of brake shoes in short order!


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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sherwan_88 » December 7th, 2009, 11:13 am

Okay my bad :oops: I didn't read the article and just went for the picture then read it after you guys posted.
Last month we had this tractor brought in for repairs. Its a big ass tractor! got cutting brakes too had some fun with it :mrgreen:
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The problem with mutts would be extensively modifying the brake system, because each wheel would have its own master cylinder :?: :roll:
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Unread post by rickf » December 7th, 2009, 11:36 am

Actually the cutting brake setup does all that for you. The line from the master cylinder to the rear brake gets routed to the cutting brake. The cutting brake has a separate line for each rear wheel. When you step on the brake pedal all is normal, when you pull one of the brake handles it shuts off the line from the master cylinder and pressurizes that one line. Keep in mind one thing here. With cutting brakes you can slide a vehicle sideways very easily. That is what the brakes are for. that is NOT something you want to do in a Mutt!

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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sherwan_88 » December 7th, 2009, 1:11 pm

Rick,
I couldn't agree more, messing with the mutts brakes which are not so good and given the mutts infamous rear I'd stay away from it.
Plus i don't see a place where one could possibly fit the levers. :mrgreen:
Just my opinion.
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sarmadq » December 7th, 2009, 1:46 pm

Talking of how the brakes are, I found out yesterday how mine are, I almost made a 90 degree turn going straight at 15 miles, but applied hard.
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Unread post by rickf » December 7th, 2009, 1:51 pm

sarmadq wrote:Talking of how the brakes are, I found out yesterday how mine are, I almost made a 90 degree turn going straight at 15 miles, but applied hard.
Pucker factor of 9!!

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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sherwan_88 » December 7th, 2009, 2:02 pm

rickf wrote:
sarmadq wrote:Talking of how the brakes are, I found out yesterday how mine are, I almost made a 90 degree turn going straight at 15 miles, but applied hard.
Pucker factor of 9!!

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Sam that didn't come out right at all! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by Rainman » December 7th, 2009, 11:25 pm

Hey, I know that Massey! They make those just a few miles up the road from me. They made my ex-wife's well water taste funny. That probably didn't come out sounding right either, but it happened! :shock: MF factory had lots of underground tanks for solvents and paint stuff, and years later the EPA told them to dig em up. All the tanks were empty, leaked out the bottom into the water table. They're on city water now, no law suits filed that I've ever heard about. Imagine, that little tractor driving all the way to Pakistan from Ohio. Must have had a fording kit on it huh? :D Good ole Massey's. :lol:
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Re: Cutting brakes ?

Unread post by sarmadq » December 8th, 2009, 12:48 am

:) Rainman, that Massey's built in Pakistan by Millat Tractors :wink: ............. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millat_Tractors

Sherwan, as for a place to put the levers, how about the dash sheet with a couple of hand throttle levers to cut the brakes :roll: ........ :lol:
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