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What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby moose53 » July 19th, 2010, 6:38 pm

Since the question seems to come up from time to time here is what you need for a mutt radio install...
This is a basic installation, not including voice scrambling or direction finding gear, or remote point operation.

1. Transceiver.
either a RT-524 (most common), an RT-246, or a PRC-25 or 77 portable w/amp unit.

2. Optional Aux. Receiver -
R-442

3. Mounting tray for each radio -
MT-1029/VRC for the transceiver and MT-1898/VRC for the Aux Receiver.

4. Sponson Plate -
Reinforces fender to take the weight of the radio
SC-DL-48676 for the MT-1029 mount
SC-DL-48682 for the MT-1898 mount

5. Antenna
either AS-1729/VRC or AT-912/VRC for the Tranceivers and AB-15/GR or AB-558/GR for the Aux Receiver.
The AS-1729/VRC Antenna consists of the MX-6707 base, AS-1730 lower whip section and the AT-1095 Upper whip section, a tip ball, and tiedown. It mounts on the 3 piece corner antenna mount (sugar scoop).
The AT-912/VRC antenna was an early version with a large rectangular matching unit. It consisted of MX-2799 matching unit, AS-719 Antenna Base, AT-1096 Lower whip section, AT-1095 upper whip section, Tip Ball, and Tiedown.
The AB-15/GR Antenna consisted of a AB-15 base (2 piece ball insulator), MS-116A, MS-117A, and MS-118A whip sections, UG-273 cable adapter, SC-DL-48528 side mount bracket, and SC-C-446109 brush guard. the AB-558/GR was for mounting on the sugar scoop bracket like the as-1729, and used the same whip sections as the AB-15.

6. Accessories
LS-454/U speaker -necessary for RT-246 and R-442, optional on RT-524
M-80/U Hand Microphone
H-189/GR or H-250/GR Handset (looks like telephone handset)
H-161/U Headset with microphone
H-140/U or H-251/U Headset w/o mic
C-2299/VRC Control box, power, audio, allows control of transceiver from dash.
C-2742/VRC - Control Box, channel selection for RT-246 only.

7. Cables
CX-4720 - Vehicle Batteries to MT-1029 Mount
CX-4721 - MT-1029 Mount to MT-1898 mount and/or MT-1898 Mount to MT-1898 Mount depending on installation
CX-4722 - Control cable from Transceiver to antenna matching unit.
CX-4723 - Control Box C-2299/VRC to Transceiver
CX-7059 - Control Box C-2742 to MT-1029 mount.
CG-1773 - Coax cable from transceiver or Aux receiver to antenna (all)

These are the parts needed for a basic radio installation There are additional items for secure comms and remote comms that I omitted since not too many people want to go that far.

Jim
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby 199th mp » July 19th, 2010, 6:54 pm

hey moose--that is really great info to have all in one spot--now i've got a question for you--if you install a 524 with a j3513, and cable it to a c2297 and a c2298,
would that provide direct headset intercom capability between driver and passenger? i'll spare you the long boring story behind the question.
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby moose53 » July 19th, 2010, 7:02 pm

I'll have to look at my manuals to answer that, since the intercoms were in the armored vehicles not the wheeled ones I'm not that familiar on the box numbers. I do think I'd use a motorcycle or aircraft intercom instead since they are so small and easily hidden. The military boxes are kinda large. If you look at M151dave's photos of the gun truck they built you can see the many cables and size of the boxes of the military setup.

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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby davegargiulo » July 19th, 2010, 7:09 pm

I think I might need a training camp to under to understand all that.My Mutt came nicely set up with radios and 2 antenas.The one on the side kinda threw me off but, then I saw one just like it on Ken,s Mutt page.I,ve been messing with it and not much luck in reaching any one. Dave

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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby SEABEE62 » July 19th, 2010, 7:38 pm

Great info......this goes into my active files . Seabee
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby moose53 » July 20th, 2010, 12:02 am

davegargiulo wrote:I think I might need a training camp to under to understand all that.My Mutt came nicely set up with radios and 2 antenas.The one on the side kinda threw me off but, then I saw one just like it on Ken,s Mutt page.I,ve been messing with it and not much luck in reaching any one. Dave


the side mounted antenna is the AB-15, set up for receive only for the R-442 Aux. Receiver. the AS-1729 antenna on the rear is set up for transmit and receive and has an automatic matching unit built in to optomize your antenna's performance. Assuming everything works, you should be able to pick up some tv audio, and the 6 meter Amateur Radio Band. You might pick up some military stuff but you would need to be close. Keep in mind that these are FM Tactical radios and so only have a range of about 30 miles or so. The only legal way to use them, as you probably already know, is on the Amateur Band with the appropriate license.

Your setup looks good, and appears to be complete and properly installed from what I could see there.

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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby davegargiulo » July 20th, 2010, 1:05 am

Jim, you are right about the liecance .I use a CB at work and thats about my only radio abillity for the moment.When I key up with the mike the motor on the rear larger antena kicks on and searches for a signal.There is also a dial at the base mount too.I have most of the manuals and need to open them. Dave
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby moose53 » July 20th, 2010, 2:33 am

davegargiulo wrote:Jim, you are right about the liecance .I use a CB at work and thats about my only radio abillity for the moment.When I key up with the mike the motor on the rear larger antena kicks on and searches for a signal.There is also a dial at the base mount too.I have most of the manuals and need to open them. Dave


the motor on the antenna is the matching unit, it is tuning the antenna to match the frequency you have the radio set on. The dial on the bottom of the antenna base is the manual control so that you can tune the antenna manually if the motor drive failed, cable shot out etc.

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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby rickf » July 20th, 2010, 4:55 am

Moose, You ought to turn this into a sticky and lock it just like you did with my post on what to check before asking.

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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby Ralph Fuller » July 20th, 2010, 5:31 am

How about adding it to a "Communication/radio" section in the Wiki?
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby Horst » July 20th, 2010, 1:25 pm

"When I key up with the mike the motor on the rear larger antena kicks on and searches for a signal.There is also a dial at the base mount too.."

Actually the antenna matching unit is triggered by the frequency setting on the radio and not if you key the mike. Just turn the MHZ selector (marked MC tune) on the radio for example and the matching unit will adjust accordingly. What kicks in when pushing PTT is the fan in the radio.



"How about adding it to a "Communication/radio" section in the Wiki?"

Done.
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby davegargiulo » July 20th, 2010, 2:41 pm

I just added my peice because of the smaller 2nd antena mounted on the passenger side .At first I thought it was some custum thing the owner did on his own and it bummed me out and turned out it was correct.I would also like this on its own site so I could learn more about these radios . Dave
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby Ralph Fuller » July 21st, 2010, 6:17 am

Thanks, Horst...that should help a lot of Mutters in the future.
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby FireGod » March 4th, 2011, 8:33 pm

its nice you have the complete set of radio installation kits for the mutts.

well, i read a related article to this one how to mount the radio http://www.g503.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=103135
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Re: What you need for a mutt radio install

Postby SNOOPY » October 11th, 2012, 4:01 pm

Excellent info here!
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