151 Photos from 80s Germany
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Re: 151 Photos from 80s Germany
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So.....Is your first name "Donald" or "Kiefer"?
Matt
So.....Is your first name "Donald" or "Kiefer"?
Matt
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Re: 151 Photos from 80s Germany
A few answers to your thoughts on these pics. I was stationed near this area-next to the 11 ACR. The photo of the 3 troopers was 1974 at the earliet. Because is the fall of 1973 we had to paint ALL our vehicles to this camo pattern-it SUCKED! Prior to this everything was OD Green. The sand color on the camo pattern made our tanks and tracks stick out like a sore thumb against the conifers woods. Most this area was heavily Conifer forested.Even in the hard woods this pattern stuck out. All the white stars were changed to the black as seen. Even the Bumper #s were changed to black. If white was still used-mud was applied during the War Games constantly played.
In all my yeras in Germany and Dan can attest to this did I ever see the Bundesvere and the frontier Border Troops using Land rovers! This was an AUDI Jeep-3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and yes they sounded just like a dirt bike and left the classic Blue smoke trailer! The Germans used THEIR own made jeeps plus the VW jeep, like the civilain VW THING.
I had a brief stint in this unit before. This again was 1974 at the earliest to late seventies-OD Green Fatigues.
Hard top on the A2s-allmost ALL units switched to these by the early 1980's-, to keep the OFFICERS WARM ! Prior to this, the only hard tops used were by thge AIRFORCE FAC teams that worked with the Armor /ACR units.
Border Gaurds- CORRECT on the P38's
Late 70's the Camo pattern was changed to more GREEN and Less Tan and Red Brown.
Dave-TankerM60
In all my yeras in Germany and Dan can attest to this did I ever see the Bundesvere and the frontier Border Troops using Land rovers! This was an AUDI Jeep-3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and yes they sounded just like a dirt bike and left the classic Blue smoke trailer! The Germans used THEIR own made jeeps plus the VW jeep, like the civilain VW THING.
I had a brief stint in this unit before. This again was 1974 at the earliest to late seventies-OD Green Fatigues.
Hard top on the A2s-allmost ALL units switched to these by the early 1980's-, to keep the OFFICERS WARM ! Prior to this, the only hard tops used were by thge AIRFORCE FAC teams that worked with the Armor /ACR units.
Border Gaurds- CORRECT on the P38's
Late 70's the Camo pattern was changed to more GREEN and Less Tan and Red Brown.
Dave-TankerM60
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Another note: That M151a1 has a STRAIT M151 windshield and notice the EARLY Canvas cover-split 2 window and side canvas.
No Canadian troops were stationed in this area. They and the Brits were farther north, french to the west-NOT a Nato Member at the time.
No Canadian troops were stationed in this area. They and the Brits were farther north, french to the west-NOT a Nato Member at the time.
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Re: 151 Photos from 80s Germany
Hi !tankerm60 wrote: In all my yeras in Germany and Dan can attest to this did I ever see the Bundesvere and the frontier Border Troops using Land rovers! This was an AUDI Jeep-3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and yes they sounded just like a dirt bike and left the classic Blue smoke trailer! The Germans used THEIR own made jeeps plus the VW jeep, like the civilain VW THING.
Dave-TankerM60
The Border Troops (Bundesgrenzschutz) did indeed use Land Rovers, both a licence produced Serie I (IIRC) and the 88 Serie II. The two stroke engined vehicle was not produced by Audi (the firm did´nt exist at the time), it was produced by Auto-Union and known as the DKW Munga.
(http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundesgrenzschutz) - Paragraph "Geländewagen"
About Audi:
"The company is headquartered in Ingolstadt, Germany, and has been a wholly owned (99.55%)[4] subsidiary of Volkswagen AG since 1966, following a phased purchase of its predecessor, Auto Union, from its former owner, Daimler-Benz. Volkswagen relaunched the Audi brand with the 1965 introduction of the Audi F103 series.
The company name is based on the surname of the founder August Horch, his surname meaning listen in German—which, when translated into Latin, becomes Audi. The four rings each represent individual car companies that banded together to create the union. Its slogan or tagline is Vorsprung durch Technik, meaning "Progress through Technology". More recently, however, Audi has updated the tagline to "Truth in Engineering" in the U.S."
Taken from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi
Hope this helps.
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Davetankerm60 wrote: all my yeras in Germany and Dan can attest to this did I ever see the Bundesvere and the frontier Border Troops using Land rovers!In This was an AUDI Jeep-3 cylinder 2 stroke engine and yes they sounded just like a dirt bike and left the classic Blue smoke trailer! The Germans used THEIR own made jeeps plus the VW jeep, like the civilain VW THING.
Border Gaurds- CORRECT on the P38's
Dave-TankerM60
The truck in that image sure looks like a Landrover Series III. The Germans (& the Canadians for that matter) used both the VW & Munga http://www.militaryoldtimer.eu/images/m ... 01_big.jpg . Think that had a three cylinder engine in it. And yes they also used the VW type 181 "thing" in BW grey/green livery.
As for the P-38s, like the MG42 they were kept in service long after the end of the second World War. Their post war nomenclature was "P-1". I know they were in use up into the late 1980s but not sure how much longer past that (maybe still in use?) .
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YA! I wish!! The Tanker's jacket isn't mine, I was a Mechanic and got "coveralls"WC Matt wrote:Mr. Recovery
So.....Is your first name "Donald" or "Kiefer"?
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1963 M151 Willys DoD 10-63 in Baltimore
1989 Alley Cat. "work in Progress"
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American Legion Post 275 Fl
US Army 6 years 2nd Armored Cavalry Bindlach Germany
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Mr. Recovery wrote:YA! I wish!! The Tanker's jacket isn't mine, I was a Mechanic and got "coveralls"WC Matt wrote:Mr. Recovery
So.....Is your first name "Donald" or "Kiefer"?
Matt
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Here's a picture of the one I drove for the old man, Echo Trp 2/2 ACR 82-84
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The C7 (M16A2) replaced the FN in the mid/late 80s. We wore solid OD "Combats" well into the early 2000s. Never really had any brown in Canadian cam patterns (except for the Leopards, M109s and 10 Ton Steyrs), all the rest (1970-80s) were a 3 color combo of Green, Olive Drab and Black. In the early 90s we went to a solid 383 CARC Green with all of our vehicles.WC Matt wrote:Kenmuttguru wrote:Matt I thought it was a Canadian vehicle at first because of the similarity to CDN camo, but it's an M151A1...and they didn't use them. The camo looks to be "Summer - US and Europe" which didn't seem to get used much. Most of the 4-color mutts in BRD used "Winter-US & Europe" pattern.WC Matt wrote:Border Patrol
I'm assuming that this photo is late '70s early '80s by the ODs worn by our guys? Notice that the M151 is an A1 and not an A2.
Matt
Ken
Thought that pattern on the A1 looked kind of odd but noticing the bumper markings, I just assumed it was US & not Canadian. The three guys wearing the M65 field jackets & "pickle suits" was also a give away . Not sure when the Canadians replaced the C1A1 with the M16 .
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Matt, I think you may be thinking of the Bombardier Iltis. We had those from approx 1985 to 2005.WC Matt wrote:tankerm60 wrote:The truck in that image sure looks like a Landrover Series III. The Germans (& the Canadians for that matter) used both the VW & Munga http://www.militaryoldtimer.eu/images/m ... 01_big.jpg . Think that had a three cylinder engine in it. And yes they also used the VW type 181 "thing" in BW grey/green livery. Matt
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I bought one of those post war P-38's in 1987 when I was stationed there. It was manufactured in 1968 and has West German proof marks on it. I brought it and a CZ 85 back with me.
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1960 M151 Run 1
1963 M151 Willys DoD 10-63 in Baltimore
1989 Alley Cat. "work in Progress"
NRA Life Member
American Legion Post 275 Fl
US Army 6 years 2nd Armored Cavalry Bindlach Germany
Colorado Army Nat. Guard 5 years
Md Air Guard 15 years active duty on C-130's
1963 M151 Willys DoD 10-63 in Baltimore
1989 Alley Cat. "work in Progress"
NRA Life Member
American Legion Post 275 Fl
US Army 6 years 2nd Armored Cavalry Bindlach Germany
Colorado Army Nat. Guard 5 years
Md Air Guard 15 years active duty on C-130's
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Matt, I think you may be thinking of the Bombardier Iltis. We had those from approx 1985 to 2005.[/quote]
Scott when I was in Germany in 1986 all we Canadians had were m151a2's and the MLVW by Bombardier also lots of BEER iltis came out latter.
Scott when I was in Germany in 1986 all we Canadians had were m151a2's and the MLVW by Bombardier also lots of BEER iltis came out latter.
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Here's a few from my time with E Trp 2/2 ACR 82-84, Bamberg West Germany
this was after 30 days in Graf
XO's Mutt at Graf
Morning Patrols at Hof
Patrol near Hof
Town nicknamed Little Berlin
Border Mutt behind maintenance shop
this was after 30 days in Graf
XO's Mutt at Graf
Morning Patrols at Hof
Patrol near Hof
Town nicknamed Little Berlin
Border Mutt behind maintenance shop
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I found that I fotoaperat young with my first as a small photo .in made the big maneuvers I saw also the first m 151 driven by a black woman with an air landing yuhi exercise
in german
ich habe das foto gefunden das ich als kleiner junge mit meinem ersten Fotoaperat gemacht habe. In dem großen Manöver habe ich auch den ersten m 151 gesehen der von einer schwarzen Frau gefahren wurde bei einer Luft lande Übung in der auch die Bel Uh1 dabei waren
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ich habe das foto gefunden das ich als kleiner junge mit meinem ersten Fotoaperat gemacht habe. In dem großen Manöver habe ich auch den ersten m 151 gesehen der von einer schwarzen Frau gefahren wurde bei einer Luft lande Übung in der auch die Bel Uh1 dabei waren