Correct rifle for the period

[WC Matt]

my 1st cousin was an A team member VN 67-68 and that is exactly what he always says. Also he carried a shotgun. Guess that was an SF issued weapon, too

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Shotgun issue in the military has always been kind of strange. Officially, They are issued to MPs but they tend to find their way into other peoples hands. A friend of mine who was a Marine tanker over in RVN 69-70 said that they had either an M97 or a model 12 Winchester riot gun in the turret for crew use. I belive it was later replaced with an M1 carbine but can't remember right off hand. Now adays they use them with special rounds for door breaching (also works good for people breaching)

Francis Marion
You are spot on! J.M. Browning was/is the Man! Klashnikov is an arogant jerk! Ironically, the Russians replaced the Klashnikov AK family with another design called the AN94 a couple of years ago.

Matt

Frigidaire was a division of GM at the time. AC Spark plug division as well as the Saginaw steering division as well as the Brown-Lipe-Chappin gear and differential division also made M2 50 caliber guns. Guns like that had to have been well made to still be in service after this long. I wonder how many times some of them have been overhauled.

Raymond
Not sure. I remember seeing M2s with dates of mfg dating back to the mid 70s and having active duty guys tell me that they've seen weapons with dates of mfg in the 40s. The M2 tripod for the M60 GPMG that was issued to a friend of mine was dated 1960 so it was about 15-20 years older than he was.

Matt

[Motorcityman]

Francis Marion
You are spot on! J.M. Browning was/is the Man! Klashnikov is an arogant jerk! Ironically, the Russians replaced the Klashnikov AK family with another design called the AN94 a couple of years ago.

Watching too much future weapons on the Discovery channel, the Kalashnikov design is still running strong in Russia. The Akaban is NOT currently in production and is NOT issued to Russian troops, matter of fact the company who produced the AK-94 series is now defunct (Izhmash). Like it or not the Kalashnikov series of weapons is one of the most widely used platforms in the world and in history with over 100 million examples produced.

I agree about John Browning being the best designer ever with his designs still being used some 100 years later, but to Knock Kalashnikov as a designer purely because he's proud of his design calling him a "jerk" well I just had to correct you on the AK-94

[raymond]

The difference between Browning's and Kalishnikov's designs lies in the fact that the former was intended for use by a well trained army of citizen soldiers while the latter was designed for a poorly educated peasant army. It is kind of like comparing apples to oranges. You have to keep in mind the context and circumstances of their development and intended use. Both have proven quite effective (deadly) in the hands of the personnel they were designed for.

[Rainman]

Just to jump in here for a minute...
I can remember in Feb of 1974 being on guard duty at Ft Polk, with live rounds with a Browning shotgun as the weapon of issue that day. Would that have been an M97. I can remember sitting out that night and reading the mfg name as Browning, which I had heard of Browning in both weapons and CB radios at 18, but had never seen one up till then, PING
Rainman

[rickf]

They gave Rainman a shotgun because they figured it was the only way he could hit anything.

[raymond]

Rainman

I don't know much about military shotguns, but I think Browning designed the M97 but Winchester manufactured it.

[Francis Marion]

Almost all of Brownings designs were manufactured by other companies like Winchester and Colt. Browning didn't start his own manufacturing company until late in life and by then had already sold the manufacturing rights to others.

[WC Matt]

Francis Marion
You are spot on! J.M. Browning was/is the Man! Klashnikov is an arogant jerk! Ironically, the Russians replaced the Klashnikov AK family with another design called the AN94 a couple of years ago.

Watching too much future weapons on the Discovery channel, the Kalashnikov design is still running strong in Russia. The Akaban is NOT currently in production and is NOT issued to Russian troops, matter of fact the company who produced the AK-94 series is now defunct (Izhmash). Like it or not the Kalashnikov series of weapons is one of the most widely used platforms in the world and in history with over 100 million examples produced.

I agree about John Browning being the best designer ever with his designs still being used some 100 years later, but to Knock Kalashnikov as a designer purely because he's proud of his design calling him a "jerk" well I just had to correct you on the AK-94

My information comes from sources other than "American TV" and I take offence to that . The AN94 not AK94 is issued to special forces and certain internal security units. The Russians are still using the AK platform not because they feel it is irreplacable but because they can't afford to go to another rifle.

I've seen multible interviews with Klashnikov and I stick by my assesment of him. 'nuff said!
Matt

[Floyd]

Sounds like a Nikonov AN-94 "Abakan" assault rifle to me.

Floyd

[Motorcityman]

I have close friends who have visited MTK at his house, they tell me he's a great guy and a wealth of knolodge. The Club that I am in (Kalashnikov collectors association) has made several visits to Izhevsk, including a trip to his 85 birthday five years ago, his birthday is next week, 90 years old

The Russians are still using the AK platform not because they feel it is irreplacable but because they can't afford to go to another rifle.

WC Matt wrote:

Francis Marion
You are spot on! J.M. Browning was/is the Man! Klashnikov is an arogant jerk! Ironically, the Russians replaced the Klashnikov AK family with another design called the AN94 a couple of years ago.

Special forces and "certain" internal security units eh, man you're right thats all of Russia, how Ironic.

[Tray]

As someone who does not have first hand knowledge about how soldiers dress. Do you guys wear your M1 Carbines by the hip like these guys? Did you also dress that way at one time? I can't post the pic so here's the link:
http://www.maxicon.com/guns/universal_m ... access.htm

[Ralph Fuller]

Tray: to answer your two quesions....No and No

[rickf]

That does not even look practical! The gun carry or cloths!!


Rick

[moose53]

Just to jump in here for a minute...
I can remember in Feb of 1974 being on guard duty at Ft Polk, with live rounds with a Browning shotgun as the weapon of issue that day. Would that have been an M97. I can remember sitting out that night and reading the mfg name as Browning, which I had heard of Browning in both weapons and CB radios at 18, but had never seen one up till then, PING
Rainman

Ping yourself, I preferred the Demco Satellite over the Browning Eagle hehehe The Tram was great too! "clunk"

Jim

[Rainman]

Geez Moose,
Your getting all the subtle comments and visuals today aren't you? Yep, a Tram Titan even had a crystal socket on the front face, easier for 22A+B and 23A+B, and that telltale clunk when you unkeyed the mic. I had a Browning linear amp I had wired into my bottom dresser drawer to hide it from my Dad when I was like 13. ping
Rainman