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Re: Production Facility Locations?

Unread post by muttguru » August 1st, 2019, 12:49 pm

acudanut wrote:
July 31st, 2019, 7:58 pm
While we are on the Subject. Ford designed the M-151. Didn't they hold the copyright laws for 10 years or more ?. Why did they have to share with others so soon ? I know Colt bought the Armalite rights to produce the M-16 and they had a 40 year copyright license.
Acu.... yes, Ford was originally contracted by the Mil to design and test a successor to the M38 and M38A1 jeeps but the ownership of the results rested with the Mil (in this case, that was O.T.A.C.). It wasn't an uncommon arrangement.....the military had the funds and the contractors had the manufacturing capability but the agreement vested the ownership of the design with Uncle Sam.
Because of this, OTAC and later, TACOM, could thus invite competitive bids from whoever was interested and I would think that something similar happens to date although over recent years there has been a move to recognise the intellectual property rights of authors of works.

Ford, who did all the hard work in designing the original mutt, was replaced by Willys, Kaiser and eventually AMG.... based on the lowest bidder principle and with no recourse in law to prevent other manufacturers from using the plans drawn up by Ford technicians. Ford simply did not "own" the design. But that's business !
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Re: Production Facility Locations?

Unread post by acudanut » August 1st, 2019, 10:00 pm

muttguru wrote:
August 1st, 2019, 12:49 pm
acudanut wrote:
July 31st, 2019, 7:58 pm
While we are on the Subject. Ford designed the M-151. Didn't they hold the copyright laws for 10 years or more ?. Why did they have to share with others so soon ? I know Colt bought the Armalite rights to produce the M-16 and they had a 40 year copyright license.
Acu.... yes, Ford was originally contracted by the Mil to design and test a successor to the M38 and M38A1 jeeps but the ownership of the results rested with the Mil (in this case, that was O.T.A.C.). It wasn't an uncommon arrangement.....the military had the funds and the contractors had the manufacturing capability but the agreement vested the ownership of the design with Uncle Sam.
Because of this, OTAC and later, TACOM, could thus invite competitive bids from whoever was interested and I would think that something similar happens to date although over recent years there has been a move to recognise the intellectual property rights of authors of works.

Ford, who did all the hard work in designing the original mutt, was replaced by Willys, Kaiser and eventually AMG.... based on the lowest bidder principle and with no recourse in law to prevent other manufacturers from using the plans drawn up by Ford technicians. Ford simply did not "own" the design. But that's business !
Ken
Kind of sounds like Ford got screwed. (my 2 cents)

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Re: Production Facility Locations?

Unread post by rickf » August 2nd, 2019, 9:53 am

No, Ford stood to make a LOT of money but the problem was that they were out bid by Kaiser and in the end by AMG. That is how government contracts work. The government puts out a request for a piece of equipment and anybody down to a guy in his garage can build and submit a design. If the design is accepted he has a set amount of time to build a certain number of working prototypes for testing. That is what usually trips up the little guys. If their design and prototype is accepted then the government submits a requisition for a number of the units to be delivered by a certain date and under a set price. The first contract will go to the original designer most of the time but after that contract runs out the government puts out the plans and says whomever can build this to these specs for the least money gets the contract. Hence why Ford lost the contract and why the quality went south after a while.
What you have to remember right from the beginning is that the government are the ones specifying that they want this piece of equipment, so when you design it and build it you are agreeing to give the plans to them. As Ken said, all part of the game. It has played out quite well for companies like Oshkosh, AMG, FMC, for vehicles and Boeing and Lockheed for aircraft.
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