M151 Data plate

[1SGCAV77]

Muttguru,
I was not able to attach photos on PM. So I am trying this.
Thanks again.

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[muttguru]

Muttguru,
I was not able to attach photos on PM. So I am trying this.
Thanks again.

Much appreciated.,..... thanks for those....
Ken

[acudanut]

Those are the most fake tags I have ever seen. (my 2 cents).
Ford Motor co is in always stamped in cursive and the numbers are not aligned or spaced correctly.
A2 plate made in 11-65. Nope Both Tags are bogus.
I am 100 percent positive that the guru will concur. Peace to all.

[Mark]

Yes I agree, it's a ragagee looking plate, ya I know it isn't spelled right

[1SGCAV77]

So true. Both tags are in correct for the “purest” rebuilder. However, for majority of car show lookers, they have no idea right or wrong. They would not know better if Jeep didn’t have a data plate. The data plate on the left was on the vehicle when purchased out of state. During the process of getting a State of TEXAS title a typo error occurred. Image that. There are 3 different stations at DMV you must go to complete the process. The first is physical inspection by law officer. This is to start process it is not stolen. The officer is only looking for a VIN tag for a “number” and identification. When I got my M416 inspected the officer was in awe. I have only seen one in museum. I didn’t know you could own one. “That is cool”.
Got side tracked there. The data plate on right in picture was produced to reflect the Vehicle Number on the title rather than go through process to correct. Yes it is a A2 plate. Probably purchased on web site not knowing any difference.
Yes you are correct Ken, Muttguru, has stated such that these two plates are not original. They are re-creations. There are pages and pages of information on this forum about this subject. Will post some later but must get wife to doctor appointment.

[acudanut]

I agree with you Sir, most people would never know any flaws. Have a great day.

[1SGCAV77]

More research while taking pre-nap break. Found the following. Going to contact a vendor as to making data plate without the screen print inspector stamp. At least this one looks like it belongs to 151 series and not on a Hummer. Was originally created by fellow forum member. It will also satisfy law enforcement. I recently got waved over by a local officer. He just wanted to look and tell me about his Dad being in Vietnam.

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Everyone stay healthy.

[rickf]

Those are the most fake tags I have ever seen. (my 2 cents).
Ford Motor co is in always stamped in cursive and the numbers are not aligned or spaced correctly.
A2 plate made in 11-65. Nope Both Tags are bogus.
I am 100 percent positive that the guru will concur. Peace to all.

Just so you know, The original Ford data plates were printed and not stamped as far as the manufacturers name and the later Ford was not cursive.

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[acudanut]

Early Straight M-151.

[acudanut]

"Just so you know, The original Ford data plates were printed and not stamped as far as the manufacturers name and the later Ford was not cursive."
I was going off what I know to be correct and what the Guru told me. I am not a expert.
I also Believe the correct MFR Serial Number is only 6 digits. (early straight). 1st gen series.

[muttguru]

Neither of the two dash plates at the beginning of this post are originals.
However, the first one (with the inspected stamp), has correct details and I'd guess that this was a replacement plate for the original one. The 2J and 2K dash plates seem to have been very prone to fading.
The second one shows the same details but this one is a poor attempt at a replacement plate..... it isn't even an M151A1 plate......it's an A2 blank, stamped up with details from the other plate.
Not long ago, A1 plates were hard to find, so I can understand someone using an A2 plate if there was nothing else available, but to critics like us, it's still wrong even though the details (what there are of them) are probably from an original which we haven't seen yet.

As for stamped vs. screen-printed details, the early contract straight M151 dash plates were in fact etched in a stylized "ford" script. Ford's version of the M151A1 plate has Ford Motor Company screen-printed onto its plates.

To add another layer of mystery, when Ford won back the contract to build mutts in 1964, the "2G-series" dash plates were wrongly issued and had to be modified. Ford was notified by the Mil that these were now M151A1 models....but Ford hadn't altered the wording from the earlier M151 series. The Mil had to issue overlay plates for both the dash plate and the W&D plate to show the correct designation (M151A1) and the correct NSN.
Ken

[acudanut]

Sir, weren't all MSN also all 6 digits until the A2 were made ???. My 66 A1 is 6 digits, along with my straight 62. There are thousand of incorrect fake tags out there.
Here is my original 66 plate. With the light so bright, you can't read the 6 digits. of the VIN.

[muttguru]

Sir, weren't all MSN also all 6 digits until the A2 was made ???. My 66 A1 is 6 digits, along with my straight 62.

Michael..... the numbering system for the M151 from 1960 up to 1968 began with "2", followed by a letter (B was the first letter used), followed by 4 numbers as in 2B 1234.
When the final M151A1 contract was issued to Ford, the vehicle registration system changed. It now began with "02" followed by a letter (B was once again the first letter used), followed by 3 numbers as in 02B 123 with the addition of the two numbers of the delivery year (68 or 69) as in 02B 12368 followed by the manufacturer's serial number. The serial number was included on the dash plate BUT was NOT used on the hood. This system continued up to the introduction of a new numbering system used on emission-controlled A2 models. Example of this would be NBO-AD1.

Does this help?

Ken

[acudanut]

Yes Sir, Thank you.

[1SGCAV77]

Update on data plate for my M151A1. After all the assistance along with pictures from lots of you, I got what is as close to original possible. I’m satisfied. It has been stamped along with “inspector stamp”. Thanks to all for help and comments. Thanks to Fil Bonica for that special stamp.
The procurement of the data plate started late June with plate maker. Took a few back and forth emails until I was happy. Just got completed plate, ready for mounting about an hour ago from postal service.

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