front output shaft excessive play

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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by rickf » October 15th, 2022, 2:30 pm

I see you put full trust in that rear lift eye. I do not trust that eye since I had one break on me, thankfully close to the ground. I always add a ratchet strap from the hoist bar down around the bottom of the engine and back up to the bar and snug it up a bit. Just in case.
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Hambone » October 15th, 2022, 10:36 pm

Is it possible to replace it without pulling the pack?

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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Horst » October 16th, 2022, 5:59 am

I have changed out the front seal with the transmission in place and I have overhauled the transfer without pulling the pack. I think it is possible.

The way by the book is to remove that cover plate on the side and pull the two C-clips. And the screw on the bottom holding the spring and the ball in place (2,3,4,5). This way you are able to remove the shifter rod. Don't think that can be done in-situ.
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It should be however possible to keep the shifter rod and as such the clutch and the fork installed and just pull out the shaft with the bearing.

The TM does all this working from the back of the transmission with the transfer already removed. But it can be certainly done from the front. It needs some brute force approach to remove the front seal with the shaft still in place. That gives access to the front snap ring holding the bearing in place and then the shaft can be removed.

With the car on a lift it would be worth trying, car sitting on the floor as in my case, not so much.
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Hambone » October 16th, 2022, 9:42 am

That's good to know, that front seal can be a PITA along with the little selector shaft seal.

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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Horst » October 22nd, 2022, 2:47 pm

a little more work today. Installing the powerpack just by myself is not necessarily fun. And only to find out that this little shifter cover did leak. I had fabricated a new paper seal but somehow it did not work. So I can confirm that this cover can be removed with the transmission in place...
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by rickf » October 22nd, 2022, 5:44 pm

You used the wrong paper, Got to use a cereal box or beer carton. Of coarse nowadays it is all recycled so it probably won't work now. And you said in a prior post how small your garage is? I see daylight between the mutt and the wall, there is a ton of space. You saw my garage, once the vehicle is in there is sideways walking everywhere.
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Horst » October 23rd, 2022, 12:06 pm

you are right. The original paper gasket is very thin. I only had gasket material much thicker. That probably got squeezed on the edges and that created the issue. I used black silicone to for a quick fix, let's see how long that will last.

I just barely can squeeze myself between the 151 and the garage wall, guess the picture is like the pictures you see on catalogues for hotel rooms, nice wide angle shots ;)
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1962 M201 and trailer
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by Horst » November 9th, 2022, 12:32 pm

today we had nice temperatures so I could pull the 151 out of the garage and work on it. Put everything back together, tried adjusting the brakes by the book but they would pull to the right so I modified the adjustment until feeling on the road was good. Little transmission cover is still dripping a little oil but that will be handled later.

Over here every car, no matter how old, needs to get checked every 2 years. Took the 151 and the M416 to the check station and had no issues this time. Brakes performed good on the test stand so I got the sticker for another 2 years. I always go to the same station and sometimes there is a guy who himself owns a K30. As such I have no discussion about the convoy light or the military trailer hitch (both are actually illegal in Germany).
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by rickf » November 9th, 2022, 5:20 pm

Looking at video's of European accidents and things and seeing the strange design of the hitch's there makes me wonder what they were thinking? I mean, a ball hitch that starts out under the vehicle as a shaft pointing down and snakes down and up to the ball? Maybe I am missing something but I just do not see the strength there compared to a bolted on ball with a 7/8" or 1" shaft of high grade steel. Breaking strength in the tens of thousands of pounds. All pulling straight and not pulling around a corner. It must work since it is legal but I just don't see it. As far as military hitches being illegal? Again, Why?
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Re: front output shaft excessive play

Unread post by m3a1 » November 9th, 2022, 6:48 pm

I'd love to see a real serious comparative test of those two styles.

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