Rear turn signals.......Modifications

[muttley]

Advice needed....
If you look at my recent post in "General Discussion" about UK MOT rules and the reply from George (svramselaar) If you look what he has done to his A2 (clearer on the trailer light)
Sent George a PM for clarification but as he has not yet replied.
Thought I'd bounce it around here under Technical as it could benefit anyone with the same problem in the future.

If I am not mistaken, he has swapped the brake and the indicator cables at the connectors made the top red part a combined brake and rear light and then cut the lower part of the front to combine the two existing openings and inserted an amber reflector. Surely this would work as all the connectors are the same as are the bulbs voltage/wattage etc, if this works it has to be the simplest of solutions, you'd just need to get two spare composite light covers to revert back to the original configuration and swap the wires back.
Let me know your thoughts and technical comments on the feasibility of doing this.

[svramselaar]

hello

sorry personal E mails i don t see them always

i have done the next
take the not hot wire from the stop switch
put a new wire from the switch to the nr 23 wire tad sits behind the dash to the rear
now inter chance the nrs 23 and 22-460 at the right rear back light
and interchange nrs 23 and 22-461 at the left rear back light
put in the rear blackout stop 21 watt bulbs
now you have
two 5 watt rear lights (red lens)
two 21 watt stoplights (red lens)
21 watt left and right indicator (yellow lens )

the wiring is still original (you can go back )
only the rear lights lenses are altered

george

[svramselaar]

hello

i dit saw the bridge between the blackout lights

from the outer below edge upper blackout
to the upper outer edge low blackout lens
take a yellow piece from a old car light and put it in with the screws and silicone kit

george

[muttguru]

hello
..........take the not hot wire from the stop switch...................george

Hello George,
what did you do with the disconnected wire from the stoplight? Did you tape it up or use a plastic tie?

ps...Did you get the Sugga photos I sent you?
Kind regards as always....
Ken

[svramselaar]

hi ken

yes it is still there
it is he wire tad go original to the directional switch as nr 75
the connector 23 from the front harness behind the dash also
so you can always back to the red lights

george

[muttley]

George
thanks for the info but as I am not such a bright spark (excuse the pun) when it comes to vehicle electronics I'll need to a bit more clarification.

So if I understand correctly, you unplug #75 from the switch, you unplug #23 connector which is also behind the dash somewhere (am I correct..?)
Then the new cable is plugged in to the vacant #23 connector and then to the vacant connector on the switch..??

Is the #23 connector easy to locate under the dash..???

BTW - from which vehicle did you take the amber reflectors..???

Philip

[muttley]

Ken

put in the rear blackout stop 21 watt bulbs
now you have
two 5 watt rear lights (red lens)
two 21 watt stoplights (red lens)
21 watt left and right indicator (yellow lens )

Where's the best place to source these bulbs in the UK, are they pretty standard stuff from the local motor parts store..???

Cheers
Philip

[sirhc]

Philip,

You can buy 24V bulbs in the UK easily, most trucks and commercial vehicles are 24v. I get mine from a local commercial vehicle spares place, but you can also get them cheap on ebay. Are you coming to Beltring?

Chris

[svramselaar]

hello

you are right
the new wire put stop lights on nr 23
nr 23 low in the rear lights
the wire and bulb 22-460 at the right side and wire 22-461 on the left side
are behind the red lens so they must at wire 23 to get two red stoplights
the wire`s 23 at the rear lights are behind your new yellow lens and 21watt bulbs
so they must at the 22-460 and 22-461 for the directional lights

the connectors are on the left side behind the dash plate
the are 5 connectors from the front to the rear harness (the rear harness go in the steel frame to the back )


ken
i get to you on the telephone

george

[muttley]

George - PM sent...!

[kmam]

Ah, so for me it is even easier if I read this correctly. I have left the rear lights as all red so there is no need to swap 23 and 22-460/22-461 as it will all work as before.

HOWEVER I have a trailer with red stop light and yellow turn lights. To make that work without turning on the turn lights at the same time as the brake lights I simply make the change to 23 from the stop light switch and feed trailer connector F (23) to the trailer brake lights.

Have I got that correct??

Howard

[svramselaar]

hi

you have a other problem

you want to work the MUTT with combined stop direction lights and the trailer with seperated lights

the easyest way
at the directional switch are the wire`s 22 =/ 460=/461
make a T connection from all three wire`s take them to the receptacle assy
the new wire 22 is the stoplights
the new wire 460 is the right direction light
the new wire 461 is the left direction light

george

[kmam]

Thanks for that. I can see why they defer to you on things electrical with the MUTT!

Will get it done over the next few days and report back - been sitting around 38C here the last few days and forecast 33C the rest of the week so it is not much fun working in the shed right now

Regards

Howard

[svramselaar]

hi

all the original wire`s must leave as they sits only you take a new wire from it

wire 22 is at the switch D this is the stop wire from the light switch
wire 460 is at the switch A this is the R turn wire to the front light
wire 461 is at the switch B this is the L turn wire to the front light

george

[dr. trinkmann]

Hi,
what if you have both, M416 (combined signals) AND civilian (seperated red/amber signals) trailer?
Any chance to get this working?

dr.trinkmann