A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by SNOOPY » January 22nd, 2014, 9:00 am

johnfal wrote:Great job on the Jeep Snoopy, but are you sure the photo from the life magazine is Vietnam. I ask because:-

a) the terrain looks wrong.
b) Vietnam has little or no sheep and I have never seen any in my 11 years here. They have goats but not woolly critters like those in the pic.
c) the writing on the rear of the truck going the other way looks a bit middle eastish.

I stand to be corrected but it just sort of sticks out as wrong.

Still a great looking Jeep though.
I don't remember exactly where I got the picture from (on the internet), but it was from 1965/66 as I recall.
The unit was in Vietnam at that time and that's a fact.
These soldiers look like they are in operation, not on an exercise. I was thinking it could have been in the Lebanon, but that was in 1958; the M151 was not around, nor was the unit...Or maybe in the Sinai because of the Arabic writing, but I thought that these rotations started way later in the 70's/80's.
The guy in the back looks like an "irregular" (i.e. SF) type wearing a non-US camouflage uniform. This leads me to believe that the picture was taken in VN during one of the operations metioned later on in this thread.
Now, I don't know about sheep or the like in Vietnam. I do know that there are areas with less vegetation...same in Thailand btw.
The more I look at it, the more confusing it gets to me as well.
Would Life magazine keep records of who took that pic, where and when?
It would be great if we could have access to that!

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by SNOOPY » March 4th, 2014, 4:13 pm

SNOOPY wrote:Hi,

When I saw this LIFE Magazine picture of this M151 in Vietnam ca. 1965, I knew that I would want to "reflag" my M151A1 to that same unit.

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Don't know who removed the picture, but anyhow here it is...

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by rickf » March 4th, 2014, 4:31 pm

That happens when you have a photo account and the photo gets moved to a different folder or it is deleted from the account. Any editing of the photo account at all will cause the forum to not find the picture in the place it was told to look.
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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by johnfal » March 6th, 2014, 9:14 pm

Mmmm!!! I will remain sceptical until I get some more evidence on the location of the photo. In all my 11 to 12 years here and all the places I have been offroading here I have not come across terrain like that. I do agree it would look different if it had been defoliated but despite that there is something about the structure and make up of the land that looks wrong apart from the sheep and the middle east type numbering on the trucks going the opposite way. However it is still a great photo and Snoopy's Jeep looks real cool.
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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by johnfal » March 6th, 2014, 9:59 pm

I would also like to add, if the land had been defoliated surely there would at least be tree trunks, stumps or some evidence that there was once vegetation there, but the vast expanse of land shown behind the vehicles is totally barren. Even today when they clear the land for agriculture by burning the jungle after the good timber has been removed there still remains the charred remnants of many tree trunks either standing or lying on the ground with some brush still evident. The terrain in the photo looks just like sand and rock, devoid of any vegetation, not Vietnamese like at all.
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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by moose53 » March 7th, 2014, 1:47 pm

looking at the paint job and the uniforms, I would date the picture as mid 60's. The jeep is solid OD not camo. The uniforms are the 60's steel pots, mitchell style camo, and early mag holders with the cloth fasteners. Looking at the terrain though, the convoy of military looking but civilian jeeps passing on the right, the sheep herd complete with turban wearing herders, and the lettering on the convoy vehicles i'd have to place it in the middle east, israel or egypt maybe. Abjab, the lettering style used for the numbers on those vehicles, is used in both arabic and hebrew.

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by baios » March 9th, 2014, 2:18 am

nice photo :shock:
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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by cavm151 » March 15th, 2014, 2:26 pm

Sorry to point out that the 17th cavalry is dyslexic. A proper Cavalry guidon (flag) has the regiment number on top, the squadron number in the middle, and the troop on the bottom. Theirs is backwards. In the old ( Civil War) designation, the regiment would be on the top, and the troop on the bottom (no squadron number at all).
Look up just about any source, from ebay to wiki, to see what i mean.
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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by SNOOPY » March 15th, 2014, 5:04 pm

cavm151 wrote:Sorry to point out that the 17th cavalry is dyslexic. A proper Cavalry guidon (flag) has the regiment number on top, the squadron number in the middle, and the troop on the bottom. Theirs is backwards. In the old ( Civil War) designation, the regiment would be on the top, and the troop on the bottom (no squadron number at all).
Look up just about any source, from ebay to wiki, to see what i mean.
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I'm sure it was that way during your time and it still is today, but pictures cannot be contradicted.
this picture was taken in Vietnam and came from the A/2/17th Cav alumini website...just another proof that one should never say never...

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by Mr. Recovery » March 15th, 2014, 6:33 pm

This photo was taken in Germany some time late 1962, I was in D Troop, 1st Recon Sq of the 2nd Armored Cavalry with the US 7th Army. I am in the back row, 7th in from the D-35 tank. :)

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Re: A Troop, 2ND Squadron, 17TH Cavalry M151A1

Unread post by SNOOPY » May 19th, 2014, 2:55 pm

Could this photo have been taken in Iran? Do they use that type of writing?
The reason I ask, is because I found the following interesting text on the back of a 101st Airborne Vietnam tour book, printed in 1967...A/2/17Th Cavalry was part of 1st Brigade when they participated in Airborne exercises in Iran prior to their deployment to RVN...

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