M151 Armored Gun Jeep
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M151 Armored Gun Jeep
I've seen pics of gun jeeps - some for Military Police and some for supply column protection. Does anyone have any details or specs. for the panels - doors, windshield, etc..?? Also, some looked like they had two m60 mounts on the rear fenders - does anyone have some pics of the interior that might show some mounting details??
I've seen quite a few "uber" equipped M151s out there, but never a gun jeep. Might be interesting to build one.
Any info would be appreciated !!
I've seen quite a few "uber" equipped M151s out there, but never a gun jeep. Might be interesting to build one.
Any info would be appreciated !!
1966 M151A1 ___All matching '44 M1 Garand
1951 H&R M1 Garland__1966 Fairlane GTA
1973 Torino wagon_____1942 03A3 - Unissued
1939 Unissued 1903____1944 M1 Inland Carbine
1966 M-16____________1943 1911A1
1918 Model 1917 .45 Revolver
1943 M1 Quality Hardware Carbine
1967 Saginaw 1919A6
1943 Saginaw 1919A4
1952 M1C and M1D Garands
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1951 H&R M1 Garland__1966 Fairlane GTA
1973 Torino wagon_____1942 03A3 - Unissued
1939 Unissued 1903____1944 M1 Inland Carbine
1966 M-16____________1943 1911A1
1918 Model 1917 .45 Revolver
1943 M1 Quality Hardware Carbine
1967 Saginaw 1919A6
1943 Saginaw 1919A4
1952 M1C and M1D Garands
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Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Ralph
1967 M151A1
1967 M151A1
1967 M416
1947 Bantam TC-3 trailer
If The Phone Don't Ring ... You'll Know It's Me
Airborne Ranger CIB Vietnam
1967 M151A1
1967 M151A1
1967 M416
1947 Bantam TC-3 trailer
If The Phone Don't Ring ... You'll Know It's Me
Airborne Ranger CIB Vietnam
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Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Thanks for the cool pics !!!
1966 M151A1 ___All matching '44 M1 Garand
1951 H&R M1 Garland__1966 Fairlane GTA
1973 Torino wagon_____1942 03A3 - Unissued
1939 Unissued 1903____1944 M1 Inland Carbine
1966 M-16____________1943 1911A1
1918 Model 1917 .45 Revolver
1943 M1 Quality Hardware Carbine
1967 Saginaw 1919A6
1943 Saginaw 1919A4
1952 M1C and M1D Garands
KD8QEQ
1951 H&R M1 Garland__1966 Fairlane GTA
1973 Torino wagon_____1942 03A3 - Unissued
1939 Unissued 1903____1944 M1 Inland Carbine
1966 M-16____________1943 1911A1
1918 Model 1917 .45 Revolver
1943 M1 Quality Hardware Carbine
1967 Saginaw 1919A6
1943 Saginaw 1919A4
1952 M1C and M1D Garands
KD8QEQ
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Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Note the mine protection plates on the underside of the two bottom pictures. Didn't notice those before.
When I get my M37 back out here from Wisconsin (and buy it back from my brother ) I want to do an M37 guntruck out of it. Should be an interesting project. If anyone has any M37 guntruck pics, that would be great. I already harvested all the ones in your great pic collection album, Ralph!
Jeff
When I get my M37 back out here from Wisconsin (and buy it back from my brother ) I want to do an M37 guntruck out of it. Should be an interesting project. If anyone has any M37 guntruck pics, that would be great. I already harvested all the ones in your great pic collection album, Ralph!
Jeff
11 yrs Army NG, currently full time AH-64D Apache Longbow crewchief
Former 11B, 32 IN BDE, WIARNG "RED ARROW!" OIF 3 2005-2006
General know it all jerk 42 years and running.
SOLD 1971 AM General M151A2
SOLD 1966 USMC M416
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
I think the mine protection plates were more of a psychological aid than they were functional.
Rick
Rick
1964 M151A1
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Dear Guys, I am new to this forum. I just got original armor kit from Utha from Tomlin ordonance depot. Poor friend Jack died few days after shipping me the kit.
The kit includes:
widshield
underbody armor with fittings
sides
doors
Bolts and screws
Glases all broken
all mounting hardware wich includes reinforcement and doors steel beams with lach.
Not an easy task for single guy to install
I will include pictures soon I did assebly it it is not finished yet.
The kit includes:
widshield
underbody armor with fittings
sides
doors
Bolts and screws
Glases all broken
all mounting hardware wich includes reinforcement and doors steel beams with lach.
Not an easy task for single guy to install
I will include pictures soon I did assebly it it is not finished yet.
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Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Welcome aboard Gibbo. Looking forward to see your armoured MUTT.
Jay
Jay
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Just so you know, There was no "original" armor kit for the V/N era vehicles. These were all field modifications. Unapproved in the official military books at that. Very successful in the real world though. As a case in point about military incompetence there were a couple of cases in the first gulf war where GI's did the same thing to the hummers. They were court martialed for making unapproved modifications to a vehicle. I think those cases were reversed after many years of wrangling when the military realized people were getting killed by IED's. DUH!
Rick
Rick
1964 M151A1
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Rick,rickf wrote:Just so you know, There was no "original" armor kit for the V/N era vehicles. Rick
that's what you think ! Remember that old addage..."Never Say Never"???
Here's one of several photos that Gibbo sent me a while ago. I sent these photos to US ARMY TACOM to see if they could provide further information, documentation etc for Gibbo....unfortunately, they have not yet replied.
Kind regards....
Ken
Always wanted - Details and pictures of M416 Trailer data plates & M151 data plates & body-tags for my research. Thanks!
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Note for 2023..... Ken..."Less Stress - More Exercise!"
Ken
Always wanted - Details and pictures of M416 Trailer data plates & M151 data plates & body-tags for my research. Thanks!
Contact address - - muttguru@aol.com
Note for 2023..... Ken..."Less Stress - More Exercise!"
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Well Ken you may have me but those kits were not used in Vietnam were they? I am thinking much, much later. I can say I have never heard of it, is there a MWO?
Rick
Rick
1964 M151A1
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Hello Rick,rickf wrote:Well Ken you may have me but those kits were not used in Vietnam were they? I am thinking much, much later. I can say I have never heard of it, is there a MWO?
Rick
the photos that Gibbo sent me show the full kit and part of it is installed on Gibbo's mutt. It looks very much like the typical VN armored mutt that we've seen on this board and others.
I've never seen an MWO or TB for a kit, but as the kit looks like a proper assembly and not a bubba product, I'm beginning to think that there must be some form of assembly-installation instruction sheet somewhere. Let's hope TACOM can help.
Ken
Kind regards....
Ken
Always wanted - Details and pictures of M416 Trailer data plates & M151 data plates & body-tags for my research. Thanks!
Contact address - - muttguru@aol.com
Note for 2023..... Ken..."Less Stress - More Exercise!"
Ken
Always wanted - Details and pictures of M416 Trailer data plates & M151 data plates & body-tags for my research. Thanks!
Contact address - - muttguru@aol.com
Note for 2023..... Ken..."Less Stress - More Exercise!"
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
Well I still stick to my guns on the fact that there were no kits for Vietnam vehicles. They may have come out later but it wiould not be correct on an A1. May not even fit an A1 without modifications. More pictures!
Rick
Rick
1964 M151A1
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
it appears there were two uparmor kits used in VN... on A1's. More research is called for to confirm... found this on the web
"Steel Dogs"
Armoring of the M151 Mutts
by David Haugh - Oregon, USA
It wasn't until the U. S. Army was involved in Vietnam that the necessity of armor for the M151 series became apparent. During WWII there had been half-hearted attempts to produce a 1/4-ton vehicle that included armor protection. But, even using minimum weight materials the chassis still seemed to always be overloaded; leading to poor handling and shortened vehicle life. With the intensity of the Vietnam conflict increasing, the call for an armored vehicle (particularly from the Military Police) put development back on the priority list. The first vehicles to receive up-armoring were the base M151. By Vietnam many of these vehicles were already over six years old (with a projected 12 year life). Out of desperation modifications were made in the field. Just like later in Iraq, scrap armor or just steel plate and ingenuity produced the first rudimentary protection.
The vehicle that would see the most change in protection was the M151A1. Besides the improvised protection there were two armored kits officially developed for the vehicle. The first looked very much like the improvised vehicles, with a simple armor plate in front of the passengers, and a crew compartment enclosed in a box. The second armor kit was better thought out, with opening doors as standard, higher plates around the front and sides, and even more important armor glass 2.5 inches thick fitted so the crew didn't have to expose their heads and shoulders.
Catching the end of the Vietnam War, the M151A2 series seem to have only been equipped with the last official version of the armored kit, that is .25 inch armor plate and the armored glass windows. With the end of US involvement in the conflict, the kits were soon removed from any surviving vehicles except for the few on display in museums.
David Haugh © March 2007
It would appear that Ralph's pictures above illustrate all three types, the first kit, improvised locally, and the second kit.
Jim
"Steel Dogs"
Armoring of the M151 Mutts
by David Haugh - Oregon, USA
It wasn't until the U. S. Army was involved in Vietnam that the necessity of armor for the M151 series became apparent. During WWII there had been half-hearted attempts to produce a 1/4-ton vehicle that included armor protection. But, even using minimum weight materials the chassis still seemed to always be overloaded; leading to poor handling and shortened vehicle life. With the intensity of the Vietnam conflict increasing, the call for an armored vehicle (particularly from the Military Police) put development back on the priority list. The first vehicles to receive up-armoring were the base M151. By Vietnam many of these vehicles were already over six years old (with a projected 12 year life). Out of desperation modifications were made in the field. Just like later in Iraq, scrap armor or just steel plate and ingenuity produced the first rudimentary protection.
The vehicle that would see the most change in protection was the M151A1. Besides the improvised protection there were two armored kits officially developed for the vehicle. The first looked very much like the improvised vehicles, with a simple armor plate in front of the passengers, and a crew compartment enclosed in a box. The second armor kit was better thought out, with opening doors as standard, higher plates around the front and sides, and even more important armor glass 2.5 inches thick fitted so the crew didn't have to expose their heads and shoulders.
Catching the end of the Vietnam War, the M151A2 series seem to have only been equipped with the last official version of the armored kit, that is .25 inch armor plate and the armored glass windows. With the end of US involvement in the conflict, the kits were soon removed from any surviving vehicles except for the few on display in museums.
David Haugh © March 2007
It would appear that Ralph's pictures above illustrate all three types, the first kit, improvised locally, and the second kit.
Jim
Zigzag50, Northeast51, KC2QDZ
MVPA # 30032 G838.org
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1971 G838-M151A2 1966 G857-M416
1968 G748-M101A1 1976 G748-M116A1
1990 MEP-701A
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Real jeeps have horizontal grille slots
MVPA # 30032 G838.org
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1971 G838-M151A2 1966 G857-M416
1968 G748-M101A1 1976 G748-M116A1
1990 MEP-701A
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Real jeeps have horizontal grille slots
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
You may be right Jim but if you notice the second and third pictures, the side plate on the back is different and the hinges are different on the doors. The second pic shows the armor inside the body rail and the third shows the armor flush with the outside of the body. Definitely not the same setups.
Rick
Rick
1964 M151A1
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
1984 M1008
1967 M416
04/1952 M100
12/1952 M100- Departed
AN/TSQ-114A Trailblazer- Gone
Re: M151 Armored Gun Jeep
That was my point, the 1st pic Ralph posted appears to be the first up-armor kit described, the 2nd pic appears to be locally built bubba armor, the third pic appears to be the 2nd up armor kit. I have pics of other jeeps with what appears to be the second kit mounted also. I previously thought they were just produced by the same motor pool, but in the context of kits that could better explain the consistent and more professional look. I'm not confident enough in the data found at this point to make a definitive statement or add it to the wiki, but i think it bears further investigation...
Jim
Jim
Zigzag50, Northeast51, KC2QDZ
MVPA # 30032 G838.org
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1971 G838-M151A2 1966 G857-M416
1968 G748-M101A1 1976 G748-M116A1
1990 MEP-701A
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Real jeeps have horizontal grille slots
MVPA # 30032 G838.org
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1971 G838-M151A2 1966 G857-M416
1968 G748-M101A1 1976 G748-M116A1
1990 MEP-701A
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Real jeeps have horizontal grille slots