Mutt's from Portugal

[rickf]

If they were returning then they would be subject to the demill regulations!


Rick

[toptiger]

If it was manufactured for export and the safety norms were not applied, then it would apply.

[rickf]

The safety thing is the excuse that was used for not allowing the sale of hummers. The government said they are unsafe for the road because of no side impact protection. Isn't it ironic that at the very same time they were sending them to Iraq when they knew they were not safe in an IED environment! The government had no problem with that.


Rick

[raymond]

I have read large parts of the hummer section over at G503, and from what I have read, I think the government gave up on demilling the Hummers, especially considering essentially the same vehicle was sold to the public as the H1. I have heard of a few having trouble being titled and driven on the roads in California. The owners had to put in a more moderen civilian collapsible steering wheel and dash padding. Others in California reported having no problem, so it may be a particular inspector or area. But they are being sold to the public. A lot of them are in private hands. The state of Georgia sold off hundreds of National Guard Hummers several years ago. TNJ Murray and Dave Uhrig regularly have them for sale, both restored and unrestored. A lot of the safety regulations do not apply to 25 year old vehicles or to former military vehicles. If they did, very few former military vehicles could be sold to the public.

PS. I'd like to own a military hummer, especially a turtleback

[Mat]

Nice!

[Ralph Fuller]

You could always call them "Range Targets" or "assembled parts" when shipped.

[halftracknut]

Could the be dissambled and shipped as repair parts...even an entire uncut body is a repair part....

[rickf]

I have read large parts of the hummer section over at G503, and from what I have read, I think the government gave up on demilling the Hummers, especially considering essentially the same vehicle was sold to the public as the H1. I have heard of a few having trouble being titled and driven on the roads in California. The owners had to put in a more moderen civilian collapsible steering wheel and dash padding. Others in California reported having no problem, so it may be a particular inspector or area. But they are being sold to the public. A lot of them are in private hands. The state of Georgia sold off hundreds of National Guard Hummers several years ago. TNJ Murray and Dave Uhrig regularly have them for sale, both restored and unrestored. A lot of the safety regulations do not apply to 25 year old vehicles or to former military vehicles. If they did, very few former military vehicles could be sold to the public.

PS. I'd like to own a military hummer, especially a turtleback

I have talked to John Murray a couple of times about these. Yes, there was a lot of around 750 hummers that was supposed to go to municipalities and that type of thing and the buyer actually sold them to the public before anything was discovered. That group are the only LEGAL hummers out there. There are no SF-97's issued for the ones surplused out now. I do not know what the demill status is, since there is no way I could ever afford to buy one I don't follow it that much. I do not think you can legally buy a hummer from the military unless it is in pieces. I may be wrong, been known to happen.


Rick

[WC Matt]

You may get more info about release & demil status of HMMWVs over on http://www.steelsoldiers.com. Just like any MV, I like them and think they're cool but like Rickf, I'm also priced out of the market for one. Plus I'm up to my eyeballs in other MV projects (besides, I think I'd rather have a real nice A2 over a Hmmwv).

Matt

[MUTT_KAHUNA ED]

A long as a person did their homework with customs brokers with vehicle experience;it should be no problem bringing an M151 into the US..Now I have not dug into the DOD sites to see what is banned from being brought back into the US (I know about US made armor and some machine gun/DD stuff)...But as far as the NHTSA and EPA are concerned there is NO problem...This is from the NHTSA: A motor vehicle that is AT LEAST 25 years old can be lawfully imported into the US without regard as to whether it complies with with all applicable FMVSS......and from the EPA site: If the vehicle is at least 21 years old,there is NO EPA compliance regulations upon importation..(no federal compliance issues,just state or county smog regs).....also the M151 IS NOT listed on the NHTSA list of non conforming vehicles......interesting side note on smog checks...I used to live in one of of only 2 counties in Nevada where people had to do yearly smog checks..aside from the smog checkers not being able to read thru the shielded wiring my A2 passed with flying colors (almost cali strict)....ED

[mrdibbles]

Nice post Ed

[csmith]

I brought one in from Vietnam last year, completely up and up with customs, listed as a 71M151A2 Military Jeep, even provided photos. We stuffed it in a container with other merchandise, agricultural pulled it for an inspection, wanted to see if it had mud or soil on it (if so it would have had to be steam cleaned), it was clean so the container was released. Ed is correct about DOT and EPA, if the vehicle is more that 25 years and is essentially the same vehicle as when it was built than it is exempt from current standards as are all antiques over 25 years. We got both documents stamped by customs (which was needed to obtain title) With me it was just innocence, I bought the mutt before I knew what it was or that there ever was a demill on them. So we told customs just what we had not knowing any better. Additionally, I had to obtain title in Virginia which required a deputy from DMV to come out to check the numbers on the motor and body (Vietnam has placed a VIN# on the firewall and motor block). He knew exactly what it was when he handed me title. So either it's no longer an issue, or nobody knows it is supposed to be an issue, or nobody cares. Either case could apply.

If they want to sell them its worth a try to bring them in.

Re double stack mutts in a container, it would require some sort of metal frame system being built in the container for the top load. There is enought height to stack them windsheild down.

[Horst]

Double stacking in a container? No problem. My MUTT has still the tire marks on the top of the front fenders and side of the hood where the other MUTT was sitting. So for a restored one you might need the metal frame, but unrestored should be ok to simply put it on top of each other...

[Ralph Fuller]

Raymond: It is possible to own Hummers in Georgia. I'm not saying a buddy has two (2), but if he did, they would look like this:

[rickf]

Ralph, What year are they? That original bunch was sold in the south east.

Rick